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For comparison, Japan has 0.3, the UK has 1.1 and France has 1.3.

I know they’re in the linked table, just wanted to mention that even the best city in the US is still relatively bad.




> even the best city in the US is still relatively bad

Your parent didn't mention the "best city in the US" though? Per the linked table it seems to be Irvine CA at 0.72 per 100k, which would be below average in the UK or France.


What an incredibly effective way of showcasing murder rate isn't everything - you couldn't pay me to live in Irvine.


But Irvine has The Spectrum (is it still open?) and... The Spectrum! A real cultural nexus.


Yes, the Spectrum is still open.


Others are paying a great deal for the privilege though.


Curious what makes Irvine a bad place to live for you?


Takes the American "unwalkable city" trope to the extreme - you can't even really bike there. People live in isolate subdivisions (gated, often) connected to the outside world by mega-arterials with 6+ lanes.

It's not surprising it ranks so low in murders - it's hard to get killed when you're only outside for the time it takes to walk from your parking spot to the shop.


Apologies, since they seemed to pick an example based on desirability I assumed it was the best.


Zot!



That wiki is about Birmingham in the US.

By comparison, there were 93 murders in 2022 in the West Midlands (the UK region encompassing Birmingham, UK). That's a rate of 1.56 per 100,000 population, which I agree is pretty bad - but it's almost 50x less than the equivalent for the US city.

(source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/288221/number-of-homicid...)


Holy shit, Birmingham sounds like a fun place to live. Guess it’s offset by how safe the rest of the UK is.

Of course you are now more likely to die from lack of medical care than a murder, so it may not matter too much.




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