I don't get it. Are you saying that Republican policies are ruining the city? Or are you saying that the established laws and regulations have nothing to do with the problem at all?
The GP said “So are all the right wingers gonna apologize for pinning this on street crime?”
My point is in agreement with the GP the right wing media loves to crap all over SF/LA and talk about how democrats are ruining the (country, city, XYZ). The parent comment didn’t seem to understand what they were referring to, so I gave a link that was a quick google away.
I'm not arguing. I'm saying that we know don't know if it definitely was Democrat policies that created the problem, but we definitely know it wasn't Republican ones. For all we actually know they could be right. Can't be upset at that, especially while lacking any sort of plan or process to deal with the problem.
I personally think the great weather is just as much factor as anything else. If I were homeless in North Dakota, I'd be doing whatever it took to get to warm weather. Now couple that I know the city won't take down my tent or throw me in jail, move me, will feed, cloth, and give me helpful things, yea, probably sounds like a decent plan vs freezing to death after being hassled by authorities.
It shouldn't be a crime to be unfortunate, but it's also not sustainable to have 60,000 (admitted, but probably closer to 80-100k) homeless people in LA alone.
So, I present a steelman style question... What if they're right? How would we know? And would it be helpful to dump on media outlets that talked about just because we didn't want to see it?
Why it is no one can even remotely entertain the possibility they might be wrong?
I don’t think it was a democrat or republican that was responsible for the murder of Bob Lee, which is the context here. And with it the right wing media who used it as another bullet in their non-stop culture wars and fear mongering for votes.
If you’re asking why is it that SF has the problems it does, well that’s very complicated. WWII imports of African-Americans to build ships soon out of jobs, various displaced groups by the booms and busts, vast social benefits that attract homeless as most other places lack it, supportive liberal policies that nurture it, one party rule that goes uncontested, homeless-industrial complex that pisses away money without any consequences, growing income inequality in one of the most expensive places in the world, liberal population who want to help versus hurt/jail/eliminate the vulnerable, street drugs that have become more and more lethal and addictive over time, laissez faire attitudes about drug consumption and sales, warm weather, population that enables panhandling, other states that buy one way bus tickets for their homeless, CA laws that basically prevent people from going to prison for many non-violent crimes, etc etc.
This is HN so I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole. I’m not suggesting anyone is innocent, but the two “sides” are not equivalent at all. Watch 10 minutes of Fox News or Newsmax versus 10 minutes of anything else and the difference is extremely stark.
That's just your perspective and indicative of how far left you are. You don't realize where the overton window has shifted.
I'm going to lay something down on you, the 2008 John Stewart version of Fox News that you're fighting in your head... Doesn't exist. Fox is FAR MORE controlled opposition than a source of conservative values.
You’re making assumptions about my political leanings that are actually incorrect.
I’m not sure what you mean by controlled opposition, and I don’t understand how that opposes the idea that it’s where culture wars are non-stop fought.
