I will out myself to some folks, and hope they keep me pseudo-anonymous :). I rescinded my Google offer to take another which had a more personally meaningful role and paid significantly higher (I think 50% higher?).

Google then put me on a call with a "senior" recruiter who said they'd beat the offer no question, which would have had me start at N level but be paid at the upper end of N+1 level. I refused.

Then they proceeded to tell me how my interview scores were barely passable. How my work will be meaningless at this other FAANG. Meanwhile the actual recruiter I worked with was on the call and stated disappointment but was respectful.

Now to this day, every year or so, a Google recruiter reaches out to me asking me to consider a role because my interview performance was so great.

So I follow the line of, if an employer gives me respect I will give it back 2x. If they disrespect me or violate a personal boundary, then I prioritize myself. This has resulted in many employers who love me, and a few who I imagine despise me. I recommend others do the same. I arrived here after many years of therapy and consequently find work more enjoyable.

With all the companies I interviewed with in the past, Google was the one where it seems no one managing the process gave a damn about the candidates. I swore off working for them just based on that.

Great username. I’d like to think that you’re working from the inside to take the whole system down :~)

A few questions:

1. What does giving it back 2x mean? You work overtime voluntarily or something like that?

2. Is what you’re describing a type of self-care or confidence? Trying to understand what your recommendation is and how to put it to action because it sounds great.

3. If you were serious about the therapy comment, can I ask what concrete steps you took in therapy to build up this confidence/self-care? What did you discuss with your therapist?

Yeah this resonates with my experience with a group at Apple. When I declined an offer the hiring manager made all sorts of deeply personal attacks seemingly trying to bully me into accepting the offer. I bet this stuff isn't all that uncommon, especially at the FAANGs where hiring managers are probably not used to hearing "no".

> I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets.

My partner was shocked I was still interviewing after accepting an offer - this kind of story is generally why. Sucks for the hiring managers, I guess, but I care more about my mortgage/income/whatever than their time.

I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

I would be onboard to try something like that, but how is this practically possible? you have to pose for 1-2 weeks like you're working both jobs, and then the 2 more weeks for the notice? how is that possible?

Presumably you'd take PTO for 2 weeks and give no notice.

2 weeks of PTO is enough time to justify "offboarding" any major efforts, and then you just leave.

Not sure I'd go for that but math checks out

That seems just as risky as quitting the old job, if not moreso. One of the few things employers will confirm on a background check is employment status and period. If the new employer runs the check late and finds out you'll lose both jobs and burn two bridges.

I think they are pretty used to stale information due the batch nature of these things. That is, employment status showing "current" probably wouldn't raise any eyebrows.

So you take vacation from the previous job I assume?

But then you're not really giving notice. Presumably the purpose of giving notice is to give the company a couple weeks of grace period to transition your work to someone else while you're still around. (It depends on the situation of course. No one may care if you come back from a vacation and quit.)

Meaning you just stop showing up to job A?

It really sucks that some companies get it and some take it super personally.

> HR people will tell their own stories about candidates backing

A few years ago a recruiter who ghosted me once posted how tired they were of candidates doing the same to them.

George Carlin: Everyone who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everyone who drives faster than you is an asshole.

It's a good joke, but isn't that accurate? If I'm driving at the proper speed, anyone driving faster or slower is wrong.

What's the proper speed? If the majority of traffic is going 70 in a 65, and you consider the speed limit the proper speed, to the majority trying to squeeze around you: you're the idiot.

If you consider "the going rate of traffic" the proper speed, then everyone going the speed limit will look at you as the speeding idiot.

What absurd statement. Speed limit isn't "proper speed." It's even called a limit. You go rate of traffic, faster or slower as they adapt. Yes that means going over or under the limit.

Sometimes people facemashing into the keyboard also reveals idiocy.

First you have to define proper speed. At least in the US, it's not the posted speed limit. It's condition-dependent (rain, fog, etc)

Rescinding offers will mean employees won't give 2 weeks notice due to risk of offer being rescinded. Google and other companies who rescind offers are screwing over everyone by doing this.

This has become common for us when hiring in India where the offer to start dates are measured in weeks to a month or two.

The candidate will accept the offer, keep interviewing other places then, shortly before the start date(usually as we begin getting hardware shipped to an office for pickup, assign mentors), they pick the job that pays best/more prestige, etc.

We had one case where the person worked with us for one week then quit because they got a better offer after starting.

Probably works out well for them, so I can see the reason why.

My manager moans about this all the time. I also side with the candidate. If they get more money or prestige, good for them. What my manager refuses to do: Call them up and ask what it takes to stay? He knows what the answer will be most of the time: money or title. Then he moans about "over inflated expectations". Awful. I point out time and time again: If they are getting better from another place, then we need to pay better. If you think too high, then stop hiring in the location.