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Touca is shutting down (touca.io)
47 points by pejman_gh on March 30, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 19 comments



Raised 120k, operated for 2 years, created a viable product, created value in open source, and now able to return the money to investors. I'd say this is one of the better stories out there, well done.


Thank you!


I hope you guys were able to pay yourselves a good salary for all the work put in.


Not doing so was certainly one of my execution mistakes. It makes a ton of difference in how you execute and the knowledge that you are being compensated for the work may have helped protect my mental health.


Really appreciate your willingness to be transparent and share your thoughts openly here.


> A series of recent setbacks have depleted our mental fortitude to realize that vision. While there is a path to sustain Touca as a small business, the opportunity cost would be too high. We are returning our cash to our investors while we can still make them whole.

I can relate to that and that’s a very mature and honest way to handle things… it takes great self-awareness knowing when to quit.

More on this topic can be found in the book The Dip by Seth Godin… quitting is OK and shouldn’t be seen as failure.

Summary here: https://medium.com/@thenoahdouglas/what-i-learned-about-quit...

Anyway, recharge and then on to the next adventure ;)


Thank you. First time in 2 years that I actually purchased a book recommendation and am optimistic to read it through. Under-appreciated perks of having a life again. :)


"In the process to convert our nice-to-have product to a must-have, we burnt out."

I think this is a great quote to show that you should be focused on creating must-have products. Not nice-to-have ones.


Founder and author here. Yes, while there were other external factors beyond our control, e.g. bad market, I think we failed primarily because our product was a nice-to-have and easy for customers to justify not paying for.

Sadly, building a must-have developer tools product is incredibly difficult as users are often not the primary buyers. One trick that some founders use is to postpone launching for real until after they raise one or multiple rounds. This way, they won't be held accountable for growth and revenue numbers. But that's dangerous since they can build for years with confidence, not realizing the flaws in their product positioning.

Startups are just really hard...


One of your problems: The first time I heard of your product was the shut down notice. Just had to ask "what is Touca?"


I admit it's always been a point of struggle for me as a technical solo first-time founder. We should have done a better job with messaging too.

Having said that, our v2 launch last month was on the front page for about a day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34959276 ...but it was too little too late.


Toucas are plastic caps you put on your head to take baths wihtout getting hair wet. Weird choice of a name for such an interesting tool.


I think that's in Portuguese? Touca is also the name of a bird (Toucan) in Farsi.

I wanted a name that is easy to type on the command-line (since that's the interface for many users), easy to pronounce, and somewhat meaningless in English. Touca was the best I could think of. :)


Sorry that you had to shut down, but your real take and honesty makes me think you'll do well in the future.


Thank you.


> Touca started due to frustration with the status quo of poor developer experience in writing, maintaining, and running software tests.

> Despite growing usage, we had not yet found product-market fit when the down market started. We failed to secure more funding. Our revenue declined as some of our largest customers downgraded to cut costs. In the process to convert our nice-to-have product to a must-have, we burnt out.

To clarify, you were competing with: when somebody opens a pull request on GitHub, GitHub actions (or a webhook to Teamcity or Jenkins or whatever) runs "cargo test/npm test/dotnet test/whatever", right?

In a perfect world, what did you expect adoption to look like? How would you get people off of the flow I just described?


Touca (github.com/trytouca/trytouca) gives fast feedback (via email or PR comment) for each PR you create that shows you how the behavior and performance of your software has changed compared to a previous trusted version.

We were not competing with or replacing GitHub Actions so the flow that you described wouldn't change. If you were to use Touca, you would continue to run "cargo test/npm test/dotnet test/whatever" that are likely running unit tests and integration tests.

Touca tests are more like snapshot tests and property-based testing in that you wouldn't specify expected values. You could run them locally or on CI or on a dedicated machine.

You would write high-level regression tests using our SDKs in Python, TypeScript, C++, or Java that would let you capture values of variables and runtime of functions for any number of test cases. The SDKs would submit that information to the our remote server that would compare them against the baseline version, and visualize and report any differences.

If you like to learn more: https://touca.io/docs/basics/ And you can find some product highlights here: https://touca.io/blog/touca-v2/


> Touca (github.com/trytouca/trytouca) gives fast feedback (via email or PR comment) for each PR you create that shows you how the behavior and performance of your software has changed compared to a previous trusted version.

Like SonarQube?

> If you were to use Touca, you would continue to run "cargo test/npm test/dotnet test/whatever" that are likely running unit tests and integration tests.

My company can barely invest in 80% unit test coverage. We have engineers writing tests to game coverage with no assertions. How is an organization expected to invest in even more time to write another type of test?


> Like SonarQube?

No. Instead of linting or static analysis, we tell you when a recent code change is causing your software to behavior or perform differently when handling a particular test case. Like Cypress but for software workflows that don't have a web interface or are not easy to test end-to-end.

> My company can barely invest in 80% unit test coverage. We have engineers writing tests to game coverage with no assertions.

Organizations are already investing in this other type of test by assigning QA teams to write and run manually or using software test automation tools. Touca offers a developer-friendly alternative to these tools that helps orgs save costs. It's a shift-left testing solution that helps engineers get the same confidence that QA teams provide, during the development stage.

From my experience, teams resort to superficial coverage goals because higher-level tests or the test infra needed to continuously run them are too expensive and complicated to run. We wanted to fix that.




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