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A 'subterranean Galapagos' inside the Earth (2018) (vice.com)
109 points by FeaturelessBug on March 24, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 28 comments



I find the extent of life on this planet just fascinating. Life is absolutely everywhere you care to look. As long as there's raw resources, energy, and not too hot to destroy organic molecules, you'll find life.

Even those basic requirements are not as clear-cut as you'd expect. Ancient microbes can wake up after being exhumed from glaciers. Closed cave ecosystems that have been self-sustaining with minimal input for thousands of years. Goddamn tardigrades in the vacuum and radiation of space.

Even the very air is absolutely inundated with life. Mostly with fungal spores, but we all choose to not think about that.

Probably the only places we won't find life is where it's too hot for organic molecules to exist. Even then, I wouldn't be that surprised if we find some type of non-carbon self-replicating molecules in magma or something.

I guess that's the beauty of evolution. If an opportunity exists, there will (eventually) be a creature evolved specifically to take advantage of it.

My secret dream for extraterrestrial life is something living in the gas giants. Ben Bova's stories about vast Jovian whales really struck a chord with me.


> Even the very air is absolutely inundated with life. Mostly with fungal spores, but we all choose to not think about that.

Anybody who's tried making sourdough in two very far away homes is probably acutely aware of this haha


You might enjoy The Algebriast. The book centers around exploring a gas giant inhabited by a race of floating creatures. It's one of Banks' best.


I was born in a water moon...


Typo: The Algebraist. Thank you for the tip!


> Life is absolutely everywhere you care to look.

The prevalence of life everywhere on Earth, and the complete lack of life everywhere not-on-Earth in every place we've looked (so far) - the moon, Mars, asteroids, etc, etc - are equally fascinating.


i sometimes wonder if life first wvolved in the earth rather than in the sea or a puddle.


What’s the difference?


Radiation.


"A decade ago, we had no idea that the rocks beneath our feet could be so vastly inhabited."

Over 30 years ago Thomas Gold published "The Deep Hot Biosphere". A review in PNAS is here [1].

[1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1701266114


That book somewhat supports the idea that oil didn't come from dinosaurs exclusively and may be a product of microorganisms living within the earth's crust. To dispute the "oil only comes from dinosaurs" idea seems to make one unpopular in the scientific community.


To anyone reading the parent comment : this isn't true, for multiple reasons.

First, to nitpick: we know that most oil is from plants (marine phytoplankton especially), not dinosaurs.

Now the real point: in the 50s soviet scientists had the idea that abiogenic oil could exist, then found some. The fact that all oil does not come from biological life is accepted by the scientific community since at least then. It's a small fraction of proven oil reserves anyway, and take around the same geological time to get formed anyway, so this is more of a curiosity than useful knowledge.


I think Thomas Gold's point is that most oil is misclassified as biological in origin simply because it contains "biomarkers".

Thomas Gold's theory is that oil is created in the core and seeps up through the rocks, and it collects biomarkers along the way because stuff lives down there.

The mainstream theory is that oil contains biomarkers because it is made out of dead stuff, and Thomas Gold's theory that stuff lives down there can't be true because nothing lives down there (yes, circularly).

(Disclaimer: I have not read Thomas Gold's book, but I have a very enthusiastic friend who has. I might be wrong about what he says).


So there could be oil on Mars, then? SpaceX’s tea?


Mars seems to lack tectonic activity, the hot core that would drive the synthesis.

But maybe it had time to generate some oil (or whatever kind of longer-chain hydrocarbons) when it was still active.

Oil won't be very useful on Mars as an ubiquitous fuel (there's little oxygen, mostly needed for artificial biomes and the occasional rocket), but certainly would be useful to produce plastics.


Gold argued that methane is primordial i.e. present sine the formation of the planet. We've observed methane in other planets and moons in the solar system; why would Earth be different?


That poster didn’t mention abiogenic oil


It was my privilege to know Dr. Tullis Onstott, who discovered the deepest known Nematodes miles below the surface over a decade ago. Absolutely fascinating how life finds a way to persist and survive in extreme environments.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullis_Onstott


Wonder if there’s a pocket of advanced life (e.g. mammals) we haven’t discovered yet


It's difficult to imagine a lifeform bigger than a worm surviving more than a few meters beneath the surface.

Mammals just require too much energy to function.


Beneath the surface of land, yes.

Beneath the surface of water there can be more surprises, especially around large sources of (volcanic) heat and substances on the sea floor.


Most probably. Yup.

Bright orange bats were discovered in West African mining tunnels in 2021. Even very big animals can be still discovered near home. A 12m long, new species of whale hiding a plain sight in the Gulf Of Mexico, and so critically endangered as the Vaquita, was also discovered in 2021

But I wouldn't expect a lot of entirely new types of subterranean mammals in any case. Most of the people would not bat an eye about another species of brown mouse. You need a theriologist for spotting the difference and they are getting more and more scarce.


This is about subterranean bacteria, and mentions also a nematode. Fascinating it is but describing it as a Galapagos is utterly disingenuous.


For the Dutch speaking here, there is a documentary on this subject currently in the movies: https://onder-het-maaiveld.nl/nieuws/108-onder-het-maaiveld-...


Pretty amazing to think that since this life evolved here, a lot of it thrives on methane. Therefore: I think there's a high likelihood of similar life on Titan. (which has a mostly-methane atmosphere)


This is probably where we need to look for life that existed (or might still do) on Mars and Venus.


Frank Herbert spittin prophecy yet again.


(2018)




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