> But an adjudication process doesn't seem like a disproportionate response to an assault, however minor.
It’s a cup of coffee that wasn’t hot or scalding and wasn’t reported by the student but by an administrator. It’s a multi month process including outside counsel hired by the university.
It sounds entirely disproportionate in the first place. This seems like a stupid and wasteful unjust kangaroo court that was designed by people to create more work for themselves to hire more people and lawyers for make work. It doesn’t seem designed to deliver justice so what is the point.
Stanford received federal funds and a system having processed this dumb likely has other faults that should be addressed if they wish to continue receiving funds.
The article is basically saying “Stanford is really stupid” and based on this article, I agree. I don’t go to Stanford and never will do it doesn’t directly affect me other than I’m generally interested in reducing the price of college.
(1) The coffee assault apparently caused a physical injury.
(2) If you dumped so much as a cup of cold water on someone in a workplace, you'd be out on your ass that day.
I honestly don't understand what we're even debating here. This isn't middle school. These are adults, in one of the most selective institutions on the planet.
Yes. They should have left this to the police and courts and, if she gets convicted, or pleads guilty, expel her.
This also ensures there’s a proper public record for future schools or employers.
I don’t know why the author of this piece tried to wave away a felony assault. And I’m saddened that a woman who got in to Stanford doesn’t believe in due process, but instead opts for vigilante justice based on a rumor. We reap what we sow.
Zero is the number of workplaces that would wait for a police report before terminating someone for throwing a beverage. The unreality of these kinds of message board discussions when it comes to getting the police involved to settle disputes always throws me. I mean, get a police report if you want to press charges, but Stanford is under absolutely no obligation to involve the police before threatening expulsion.
Of course she should have been expelled. (And her parents are real pieces of sh* for suing the school. They should be apologizing for their daughter who made the school unsafe.)
But the Police should have been involved too. This woman needed to have her viscousness memorialized and put on public record.
The article and references does not describe any injury from the coffee. Not from the football player’s account, nor from any medical treatment.
College isn’t a workplace. And even in a workplace it depends on the circumstances. In my workplace, super regulated, if a third party claimed that someone threw coffee on someone else, no one is getting fired that day. And if they were then it would be a pretty huge wrongful termination lawsuit. The only thing that gets you “out on your ass” is if you are an immediate threat to others. So maybe if it was scalding coffee that resulted in hospitalization and the person was still on the loose throwing coffee.
But like someone else said, throwing coffee is a crime. Let the police do their job. We don’t need extra judicial investigations for reasons.
You get that there are additional sources of information beyond what the author of this article provides, right? It's not cheating to go look things up.
It’s a cup of coffee that wasn’t hot or scalding and wasn’t reported by the student but by an administrator. It’s a multi month process including outside counsel hired by the university.
It sounds entirely disproportionate in the first place. This seems like a stupid and wasteful unjust kangaroo court that was designed by people to create more work for themselves to hire more people and lawyers for make work. It doesn’t seem designed to deliver justice so what is the point.
Stanford received federal funds and a system having processed this dumb likely has other faults that should be addressed if they wish to continue receiving funds.
The article is basically saying “Stanford is really stupid” and based on this article, I agree. I don’t go to Stanford and never will do it doesn’t directly affect me other than I’m generally interested in reducing the price of college.