It is 2023. You should pretty much assume you are on camera or being tracked some how unless you are taking steps to avoid that. If you want to talk about something criminal, assume your phone or computer is listening and don't talk beside them. There have been countless stories about client and lawyers being spied on and assuming anything otherwise is foolish if you have something to loose. Basically need to go stand in the ocean while the waves wash past you with your back to the shore so no once can read your lips and have a private conversation.