So anybody who raises money should put a max of 250k into any given bank? My CEO should spend his time managing 20 different bank accounts?
I just think that if we look at it from the big picture - what's best for the country/society/etc. - that we're collectively much better off if a business that puts its money into a decades-old, reputable financial institution can count on it being there the next week.
(Also I do feel like I should clarify that I'm using my company as a kind of general example... I have no idea where our money is stored and I'm on paternity leave at the moment so just going to hang out with my new kid and hope this all works out).
My CEO should spend his time managing 20 different bank accounts?
No, that's silly, and it's not standard practice for a business to have more than 1-2 accounts per country. Anyone here claiming their companies actually did that is just trying to earn internet points for something they didn't actually do.
It's absolutely not believable that guys on here are claiming that they founded "multiple startups" and had 10-20 bank accounts (or more) because they were hedging the risk of bank failure. It would be like someone saying they had 10-20 computers at home because they were worried about their CPU failing. It's so remote a risk that it's not something you fuck up your finances to hedge.
A finance dept is absolutely not going to put up with the BS and hassle associated with maintaining more than 3-4 active bank accounts (checkings, savings, and one or two interest-earning accounts such as a cash sweep that might not be covered by FDIC insurance), because there is a large time and financial cost to constantly moving money around to pay the bills. This practice also replaces the extremely small risk of bank failure with the much greater risk of embezzlement, misplaced funds, delinquent payables, and lost receivables.
The only way to safely store money in excess of the $250k threshold is through government bonds, with the selection of terms based on the forecasted liquidity needs of the business. The other options suggested here (like sweep accounts) aren't any better than FDIC-insured accounts, because in most cases the alternatives aren't insured at all.
There are services that will spread balances across tons of accounts. The problem is that YC made people keep all their startup's money only in SVB instead of spreading it around.
YC doesn’t make you keep your money anywhere, they don’t even suggest any place or even say anything about startup banking (unless you were to ask one of the partners for advice). Even a cynical take would suggest they’d prioritize their portcos who launched banks for startups (like Brex), but even still in my experience they haven’t even done that.
According to Ankit Parasher, Co-Founder of YC-backed fintech start-up SALT, “SVB was the default bank for any international start-up expanding operations to the US. It was a stable bank and most VCs recommended it, so the impact of SVB failure is expected to be even larger than just Indian SaaS companies and YC-backed start-ups.”
Even still, YC doesn’t give any recommendations on bank account that I’ve seen. For ourselves, we had to do some corporate clean up before YC and while they connected us to the right lawyers and provided basic review, it was really just between us and our lawyers. For wiring the money, they just ask you where to send it.
SVB is no doubt popular, but YC makes no recommendations on any banks whatsoever in my experience
But is that a good thing for society? Adding a rent-seeking middleman that doesn't actually contribute anything except a technical workaround for an issue that can be solved directly by the governemnt?
It's called risk management, it costs money and it's something anyone running a business should be familiar with. Don't run your company like a multimillion dollar lemonade stand.
From an insurance perspective, why is it ok to guarantee payment to 20 x $250k but not $5mm? From a payout perspective the amount is the same, is it just the single point of failure risk?
Do you think most entities socialize the cost of their finances by just dividing up millons to billions between infinite banks and customers of this bank are the only ones not doing this? This seems unlikely. What you are proposing would obviously cost more money in practice else it would make no sense for you to propose it.
Lets take it another way. Why not limit FDIC insurance such that its harder to stack them and derive more benefit?
Sure, if we change the limit of FDIC so it's harder to stack that would make sense. e.g. coverage is per entity not per account.
But that's not what people here are suggesting. People are suggesting to divide the funds so that it's all covered. That it was irresponsible of companies NOT to do that and hence they deserve not to get the full deposit amount back.
EDIT: yes it'll cost more money to split today. But it's a waste. The extra cost doesn't go to the FDIC or tax payers, it just goes to a middleman. So then why not just raise the FDIC limit? (or change the rules so you can't split it)
You are oversimplifying their argument. People are suggesting that people use more than one bank or make a service that involves using more than one bank not necessarily infinite banks. It isn't necessary to choose between zero risk and existential risk. You can with only modest effort achieve moderate risk.
the math is still the same though, just different degrees. If we (as tax payers) are ok with insuring 3 accounts (as an example) x 250k each, why are we not ok with insuring 1 account for 750k?
I just think that if we look at it from the big picture - what's best for the country/society/etc. - that we're collectively much better off if a business that puts its money into a decades-old, reputable financial institution can count on it being there the next week.
(Also I do feel like I should clarify that I'm using my company as a kind of general example... I have no idea where our money is stored and I'm on paternity leave at the moment so just going to hang out with my new kid and hope this all works out).