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okay but if the universe is the first cause and the universe is material (matter, energy, etc, everything "measurable"), then where the non-material things come from? purpose, logic, natural laws



they come from human perception being limited to that which is useful for survival. purpose and logic are ways humans try to understand and be able to predict outcomes. natural laws are merely the human description of its perception of the intrinsic mechanics of the universe. none of these things, purpose, logic, or natural laws, is prescriptive for the universe, they're descriptive


will, intellect, truth values, causality, logical principals, about-ness, universales. are these, are everything concievable just emergent properties in your view? are not they real apart from material things?




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