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There's little merit cherry picking and trying to impose a different context to what was meant.

Zero emission solutions doesn't imply zero emissions from the vehicle. Energy is being expended to create movement and as such will likely generate heat or noise even with the most efficient ever propulsion system that a team of the brightest might be able to create with present day technology.

Electric promises to usher in cleaner air in city streets and undoubtedly the fire during an accident issue might one day be solved.

I do actually see some big catches or issues with going electric ... the inevitable gotcha moment when most vehicles have to rely on batteries, I would guess first the battery price steeply increasing to eventually integrating security features into the modern car that at present most of us would find totally unpalatable.

It's sad that it reached a point where govt had to phase out IC car engines, but the car industry never showed much thought about using 6 stroke engines or seriously exploring other means to get as much energy out of the burnt fuel as they could.



"Zero emissions" when speaking of EVs and HCVs means "zero local pollution coming from the tailpipe". Yes we can split hairs about dust blown from the tires etc, but with Zero Emission vehicles we won't have smog anymore.

On electric car fires: They're really not an issue, firefighters need a one-day course of the dos and don'ts and maybe a few extra tools, but it's not some mystical art we haven't figured out yet. In short: lithium burns by itself, you can't put it out by taking oxygen away. You need to cool it for a long enough time for the reaction to stop.

> the car industry never showed much thought about using 6 stroke engines or seriously exploring other means to get as much energy out of the burnt fuel as they could

Oh they did. Toyota got up to a whopping 37% efficiency on a petrol engine.

Even the shittiest electric motor has 90%+ efficiency.

ICEs are just wasteful, which is a good thing in the winter since they produce their own heat - but a bad thing in the heat, because you need to spend energy cooling it.


Yes the context of what zero emissions means seems simple enough, but there will be those who'll cherry pick right the way though from manufacture and environmental burden.

As for fires, presently not much of an issue bar the immediate issue of a burning car, but presents a problem should the batteries remain as is when there is a time when most cars on the road and large car parks are EV - it would be better if the industry adopted better batteries sooner rather than later rather than count on further income generated when the owners eventually move to a better battery configuration. eg [1]

Toyota has a 6 stroke, sorry I missed that. I follow such engine improvements with interest, but not so much since a 8 stroke was developed and news of it buried. (It was a test bench only engine, and didn't need additional cooling, said to be 225% than standard engine) Sadly I'm unable to find any additional information on it or the Toyota 6 stroke, but then again when I decided to check the details on the large 6 strokes that were used for power generation, one such large engine I'm sure was mentioned at length at wikipedia - it too seems to be yet another entry, that's been cleaned up and mention of it dropped. [2]

[1] https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/10/17/lithium-ion-battery-safety/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-stroke_engine


> there will be those who'll cherry pick right the way though from manufacture and environmental burden.

Yep, people tend to calculate EV emissions all the way from the "child miners of Congo". For ICEs they just grab whatever the manufacturer reports coughVWcough




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