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This was years after the Xerox PARC Alto.


It was an influence on the use of icons in the Lisa UI, referenced by the other papers in the same directory. Note the original comment was the commercialization of the graphical UI. This paper was also before the release of the Xerox Star in 1981


Smalltalk-80 on Alto had no icons, or desktop metaphor. We didn't get that until the Star (Xerox Dandelion) and the Lisa.

I had always assumed the Lisa folks took that from the Star, but seeing this paper I'm wondering if that assumption is not fully correct.

The Alto was a beautiful machine, but the software that ran on it doesn't bear a lot of resemblance to a Mac or Lisa or even the Star. Fire up the classic Smalltalk-80 interface on Squeak and you'll see what I mean. It's a brilliant system, but in the end it's an IDE written in Smalltalk for writing more Smalltalk programs. There's not a lot of "end user" there. Other software that ran on the Alto wasn't much different.


Xerox was very protective of the UI work going on for Star. The Lisa UI papers go into the details of how Apple's UI evolved. From another thread https://scs.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=... Has Bill's pictures of how the UI evolved and with the exception of some influences after seeing the Star at the intro happened independently.

Software on the Alto was a collection of experiments built by computer scientists. The one exception was Tesler's Gypsy system built for Ginn Publishing.


> There's not a lot of "end user" there.

The Alto and Smalltalk systems are from a time when there wasn't such a strong bifurcation between end-users and "programmers." That was intentional.


Xerox SDD and the Star were tasked with turning PARC's research into a product. http://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/sdd/ and they did it slightly ahead of Apple but the big difference was their use of PARC's strongly typed programming language (Mesa) and its single address space 16 bit microcoded processor instead of something that was HP-like (PASCAL and segmented multitasking). I was extremely lucky to have stumbled upon boxes of SDD documentation and source listings in the warehouse of a silicon valley surplus store that cleaned out the SDD building in Palo Alto in the 80s to get much of the documentation that is in that directory on bitsavers. More than you ever wanted to know about Mesa can be found in http://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/mesa/ Additional history of Mesa can be traced back to SAIL and SRI, but not all of that is on line yet.

also, see comments in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34040397


Yes, but Xerox unfortunately never managed to turn their great ideas into a (commercially successful) product. Otherwise we would perhaps all work with Smalltalk or Lisp machines today - or maybe Oberon, Niklaus Wirth's work was also significantly influenced by his sabbatical at Xerox PARC...




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