> You'd still have to touch every rule to to tweak the mask.
No you wouldn't. 0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0/40 and 1.0.0.0/8 are the same thing. If the rule says 1.0.0.0/8 then the router converts it to 0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0/40. If you happen to have 1/8 as your rule, then an easy fix is to say ip4+ translates shorthand rules at ipv4 if the mask is under /32.
> What makes you think that companies would have been willing to make the effort to deploy "IP4+" any more than IPv6?
Because when they went to upgrade their router, as they often do every decade, it would just support IP4+ with no config changes on their end. They would pull their config from their old router and it would just work.
Then they would discover they had IP4+ support and maybe start using it.
The reason it is easier is because it's a small incremental change.
> No you wouldn't. 0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0/40 and 1.0.0.0/8 are the same thing.
I don't see why the CIDR would make a direct difference. Whether it's converting 1.0.0.0/8 to 0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0/40 or 2002:c000:0204::1.0.0.0/96 doesn't seem to matter to me. The only difference I can think of is local networks (10/8, 192.168/16, 172.16/12) but your suggestion would fail in the same way.
Several compatibility systems for IPv6 exist. 6to4 is the most common one I've seen. It all works on a technical level until DNS gets involved.
> Then they would discover they had IP4+ support and maybe start using it.
If your business network is managed by "hey, this feature exists, let's see what happens if we turn it on" then your network admin needs to be more professional.
> If your business network is managed by "hey, this feature exists, let's see what happens if we turn it on" then your network admin needs to be more professional.
I think this is why you don't understand how IP4+ would be easier. 99% of companies make their "IT guy" manage the network. They aren't network professionals. They are mostly desktop professionals who also get forced to manage the network and firewall. Same with most schools -- they can't afford to hire network professionals. Sometimes they get lucky and someone is excited about learning networking, but that's not true in most cases.
If they already have a bunch of IPv4 rules that some contractor wrote once, and they have a vague understand of how those rules work and why, they don't want to learn a new scheme or run 6to4 or anything else. They just want it to work by copying the old config and then maybe if they have time they can explore the new features of their new equipment.
If it's just "The IT guy", then IPv6 will work out of the box for outgoing traffic and will block all incoming traffic. This is why almost half of the USA is using IPv6 right now, it's just turned on by default.
Hosting stuff is harder, but it's also that different. Theoretically, you can NAT IPv6 traffic to an IPv4 server inside your network no problem, but it's a pain and nobody really needs it anyway, so it's not widely used.
I think you're missing the point. You're a network engineer and know what you are doing. Most people aren't.
IP4+ would be easier because it's more incremental and less change than IPv6.
Yes, there exists solutions to all the problems that IP4+ would solve, but the point is backwards compatibility and incremental change is always easier than doing something new.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, IP+ doesn't do anything differently from IPv6, except that it changed the 6to4 prefix?
Host 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8 still can't communicate with a "legacy" host 4.5.6.7 without some kind of bidirectional translation mechanism. Just prepending 0.0.0.0 to an address (or 2002:c000:0204, for that matter) doesn't fix the problem.
No you wouldn't. 0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0/40 and 1.0.0.0/8 are the same thing. If the rule says 1.0.0.0/8 then the router converts it to 0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0/40. If you happen to have 1/8 as your rule, then an easy fix is to say ip4+ translates shorthand rules at ipv4 if the mask is under /32.
> What makes you think that companies would have been willing to make the effort to deploy "IP4+" any more than IPv6?
Because when they went to upgrade their router, as they often do every decade, it would just support IP4+ with no config changes on their end. They would pull their config from their old router and it would just work.
Then they would discover they had IP4+ support and maybe start using it.
The reason it is easier is because it's a small incremental change.