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There should be international laws where after wartime, governments are responsible for clearing out any leftover ordinances and must perform ecological cleanup. One would think the U.S. government would be in support of this because it would make wars too cost prohibitive for other nations, and the contracts would be an excellent profitmaking opportunity for the military industrial complex.



That only makes any sense if the government that laid the mines still exists after the conflict and wasn’t entirely insane in the first place. Read about the Khmer Rouge.


Arms need to come from someplace. In the case of the Khmer Rouge, those landmines were made by the chinese government 1. Sanctions could therefore land on china for not accounting for mines they created. For the case of governments that truly have no responisble parties remaining afterwards, say the land is littered with IEDs, then the UN should have funds set aside to go towards these efforts, just like how they have funds going to other humanitarian efforts. But when its possible its best to charge the offending governments if they are still around than to have the world subsidize them.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mines_in_Cambodia


You’re basically describing the facts as they are now. It is a massive international effort involving the UN the US and many other countries.

Oh and Cambodia itself which has agency even though it’s poor.


The US war in Cambodia preceded the rise of the Khmer Rouge.


How exactly do you enforce such a law? If the victor refuses to follow the law, invade their country, set up a new puppet government, and put them on trial?


Sanction them until their oligarchs turn on the executive.


I don't think I've seen any examples in real life of this actually working, even though it seems to be the normal enforcement mechanism.


IMO because they don't sanction nearly enough


With your approach there's always the risk that your sanctions are worse for the population than the consequences of the mines, particularly because economic damage is compounding.

How do you deal with that?


You can sanction the individual oligarchs versus the country wholecloth perhaps. Ban the oligarchs from travel, deny their private jets over allied airspace, deny their boats a right to port, offer a bounty for their boats in international waters. Seize their foreign assets. Ban them from participating in your markets. Make participating in the fun of the global high society annoying to impossible, and force them to be on house arrest in their own country. Do the same for their extended families living abroad and their close friends. Kick their children out of foreign private schools. Jail the kids. Do the same for the oligarchs in any country who doesn't want to align with the UN on this issue.

There's plenty of things that could be done beyond what has been done typically.


They've done all that stuff and more (including seizing their boats) for Russian oligarchs and it hasn't changed anything. In fact, a bunch of those oligarchs have committed suicide as a result, frequently by shooting themselves in the backs of their heads and then jumping out of windwos.


In theory, it’s irrational to give into threats in iterated games, or in one-shot games where your opponent can look at your code. (“We don’t negotiate with terrorists.”) So threatening sanctions shouldn’t work.

But in practice, when everyone knows you have a bazooka, you might not ever have to fire it.


Sanctions aren't a magic wand. Stop waving them around like one.

Imparting economic sanctions that constitute an existential threat to a country or its government have a history of less than stellar results.[1]

[1] https://cdn-us.anidb.net/images/main/40430.jpg


What could go wrong?


And who enforces international law? Are you gonna put on a blue helmet or make your kids do it?

There is no international government with enforcement power. International relations are governed by game theory, not law.




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