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[flagged] Donald Trump is unbanned from Twitter (twitter.com/realdonaldtrump)
51 points by davikr on Nov 20, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 46 comments



Musk claimed that he was forming a "moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints" and that "No major content decisions or account reinstatements will happen before that council convenes". As far as I know, it was never formed but he unbanned Trump anyway. Seems like moderation on Twitter will just be "if Musk likes it, it's allowed."

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586059953311137792


There's a joke from "Malcom in the Middle" where Bryan Cranston and the youngest son build a delightful imaginary society out of legos where a council of enlightened elders benevolently governs the city. After awhile, the son decided to take the city in a more authoritarian direction, and Cranston asks the child what happened to the council of elders, to which he replies, "I had them lined up and shot!". Which is sort of how I imagine the moderation council thing would work out with Elon, so this probably just skips a few steps anyway.


I'm sure he would remark that he consulted the largest moderation council available, the general public, or some equally lame shit like that. The guy does what he wants.


That actually is who he consulted. His poll got 15 million votes.


So all major moderation decisions on Twitter will be Musk posting a poll?

edit: He's also claimed that people were botting the poll, so it doesn't seem particularly reliable.


Elon would have restored Trump's account regardless of the results of the poll.


Is there any evidence for this? This sounds like an unfounded smear, which as a counterfactual, is conveniently unfalsifiable.


I think it’s a good assumption as far as assumptions go. The poll was just something to hide behind. Because a majority votes on something doesn’t mean it’s right, and his company also isn’t a democracy. Why not run polls on all of Twitter’s content moderation? The people can speak on each matter.


A poll hosted on a platform he controls is an easily-manipulated outcome.


The real question is, how many of those were bots? You know, the big problem he identified and that he was absolutely going to solve,


Maybe he should have consulted twitter's userbase before buying the thing.


The 2020 election got 150+ million. What's your point?


Elections have a whole bunch of controls to ensure that people only vote once and that votes are legitimately made by real people.

Regardless of your opinion of the outcome, online polls have been viewed as pretty garbage data for a long time.


Probably Musk’s way of running Twitter will need to stabilize to a reasonably predictable long-term state, before it is feasible to spin up the council idea - if he even still wants to do the council idea.


Musk really likes control, but unfortunately he's not good at reconciling long-term, stabilizing control with short-term, whimsy & desire-based control.

For this reason I think it's likely that the following will happen:

- Trump will use TF out of his unbanned account--this is one of the few platforms that he could really count on, looking back, and so it's a viable tool for him, not just a place to vent

- Trump will eventually abuse the account/platform in some obvious way, again because he views it as a tool and he's desperate or very close to deperate, and he is also not a moralist

- This will raise a lot of problems for Musk. It will by this point have absolutely steamrolled Musk's lighter, more open view of free speech, and entered into his Find & Smash Annoyances Control-Zone

- Musk will have to move on Trump due to a variety of pressures, including internal to Musk's own psychology

- We'll probably get to see what Musk's council idea looks like in practice, and it will likely be formed around the concept of someone like Donald Trump communicating desperately

- If Musk waits too long to act, I think he'll probably slip up and call Trump a d-bag or some similar thing, because THIS is Musk's version of free speech--it's based on a high-pressure, subjective emotive assessment

It should be pretty fun to watch. :-)


I'd be lying if said I wouldn't enjoy watching an ego-fueled shit-slinging battle between Musk and Trump. But that's wishful thinking, more likely is that Mr. T. gets a pass on his egregious behaviour and Mr. M. turns a blind eye to it or even holds it up as an example "free speech" to earn more brownie points from his legions of muskrats. I would not be surprised if others on the left are not shown any such leniency.

Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, the whole thing is like an exercise in controlled opposition like on Russian media.


You know until 2016/2017 we let people post just about anything they wanted on all of the major platforms. Maybe not racial slurs and direct threats, but everything else was good. It was like that for a very long time and mostly everyone was fine with it. All that changed is that liberals didn’t like the political results—far right ideas becoming more popular and organized.


Yea, Glenn Greenwald succinctly expressed this here: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1593659184175792130

MSM + Social Media platforms and people that run them are extremely lop-sided. It is basically all liberals. What go could go wrong?

Half of the country feels disenfranchised as expressed in the Trump poll.

It's scary how more divided we've become since Jan 8 thread when Trump was banned. This feels way more balanced and less toxic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691912


Pre-acquisition, there were arbitrary keyword and phrase bans. (Maybe there still are, I don't know for certain.)

For example, "tar and feather" was forbidden. I fail to see how that was anything other than an antiquated expression for "street justice". There are no -ists or -isms associated with it.


Musk was always going to do this. It's amazing how many times Musk lies and people just keep believing anything he says. It's not surprising that Musk likes Trump. Both are pathological liars.


It's interesting to see the follower count slowly increasing (currently at ~300k) as if they are pulling the list from cold storage. Also it seems like the tweets are slowly being loaded back in also as I can reach the bottom without anything else loading in, but that could be a bug with infinite scroll.


Perma-suspended Twitter accounts lose all of their followers.

More specifically:

> Trump’s account is showing weird/low following and follower counts now because it will take time for the company to rebuild his connections. The same thing happened in 2017 when a Twitter contractor went rogue and deactivated Trump’s profile.

https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/1594143110220562432


He doesn't need many. All the news sources will hang on everyone of his tweets and amplify every single one.


Why is this flagged?


I think some people are flagging news they dislike. Though it seems that flagging was originally intended for identifying posts that are "breaking the guidelines or otherwise [do not belong] on HN".


Because most people on HN are super-anti Trump


something strange about the follower count, keeps going up, yet if you click on follow, you automatically unfollow him right away


Accounts that were permabanned take a while to behave normally if they get unbanned. It's happened a few times before.


It would be very ironic if unbanning Trump caused an infra issue that broke the site.


Good day for Mastadon tomorrow.


I only spectate on Twitter. Much more so since Russia invaded Ukraine. You know what all those accounts that are focused on the war are doing? They're tweeting like nothing has happened.

They're tweeting away and millions are following and commenting and retweeting, completely indifferent to Musk and the takeover.

I'm sincerely happy Mastodon is seeing some growth. But I think that growth is coming from a minority of users and that the bulk of Twitter users simply don't care.



Correct. It’s left wing Parler/Truth or whatever the right wingers exited to. I’m hoping Twitter continues to become a place where the wingnuts on both sides feel unwelcome and go off to their little ghettos to be with their little groups of diehards. For everyone else life goes on.

Also for people that do leave, there will be vacuums created and new influencers will rise into those spaces.


Odd how "good day for Mastodon" tends to manifest as the total unavailability of well-known Mastodon instances.


And for Twitter. Free speech deniers leave and Twitter becomes more open and divers. I like it.


Why is Musk refusing to reinstate Alex Jones?


I don’t know, ask him.


RIP Truth Social’s investors, being Trump’s personal Twitter clone was the one thing keeping them afloat.


The question is "will he honor the contract" or "will he get sued and try to hire lawyers?"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/05/16/trum...

> As a part of the Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG) “Social Media Exclusivity Term,” Trump has agreed to wait six hours before posting the same content from Truth Social on any other sites, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

> The former president is allowed, however, to make posts from his personal account related to “political messaging, political fundraising or get-out-the vote efforts” at “any time” on any social media site.


unban Trump it does not matter he is now the classic quote If you cant dazzle them with brilliance than baffle them with bullshit


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flagged --- of course HN is a joke


Would someone explain to me why Trump is worse than Biden?


Unban everybody


Including people violating laws on Twitter?


yup, except spammers and bots. They are the worst


This is unfortunately legit, and not a fake/impersonation account.




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