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OP suggests that having a large company behind a software tool (Microsoft in full control of Playright) is a positive thing and is an advantage over Selenium.

I tend to see that negatively. Community driven projects (or non profit organisation behind them) like Python, Postgres, Firefox always are more trustworthy and likely to last longer in general.




You won't like learning where Guido's been working for many years now...


But Python itself is controlled by an independent foundation[1] and an elected steering council[2], which is very different from being owned by Microsoft.

For example, if Microsoft wanted to change CPython to automatically collect sloppily anonymized user data and send it to Microsoft without asking, as they did with .NET[3], I would expect the steering council reject that proposal.

[1] https://www.python.org/psf/

[2] https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/

[3] https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145


He also stepped back after the whole walrus kerfuffle.


I find it astonishing that you thinking the current employer of the BDFL isn’t public knowledge! But even more astonishing that you alluding this can have an impact on the PSF. GvR working for Microsoft isn’t the same as Microsoft acquistion of GitHub.


Well, CPython performance only started to matter after Guido got hired by Microsoft, the wonders of big corps.


Having big corporations contribute to projects is totally great! The incentives are just fucky when they control them.

My favorite example: VSCode is a great piece of software, but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft's website that contains telemetry.


> but almost half of it is actually only available in a proprietary build from Microsoft

Which half?

VSCodium works great, so I'd go as far to say 99% of VSCode is actually open source (the name and icons being exceptions). You cannot say proprietary extensions are half of VSCode.


I find so ironic that most people that complain about telemetry are also big Google Docs users, or Web apps in general.

Not necessarly your case, but surely for most complainers.


GitHub is also owned by Microsoft.

Playwright is Open Source - the worst thing that will happen if Microsoft will kill it - you’ll be able to use the latest release until you find some replacement.


The bad scenario isn't Microsoft killing it, it's them slowly forcing everyone using it into Azure, Windows and Visual Studio, which is their usual, I think partially openly admitted, open source strategy nowadays.


That doesn't make any sense.


> GitHub is also owned by Microsoft.

GitHub was bought by Microsoft in 2018.

Recently Microsoft announced they were killing off GitHub Atom.

Being able to use the latest release of a dead project is no big reassurance.

This might be an anecdotal case, but it is indeed real world proof that a project being backed by a company the likes of Microsoft does increase the odds of being killed off.


Well, it does not make sense to have two open source, JS based text editors/IDEs that are built on electron.


Sure. [hypothetically] After Microsoft makes new "Azure UI Test", it will surely kill Playwright in favor of the new thing. It wouldn't make sense to maintain two browser automation frameworks. The second one being bound to their cloud offering is just a ... coincidence?


And from both of them, better keep the one that is under Erich Gamma's stewardship, he just happens to know a couple of things about IDEs.


Atom was bad since day One


And Google Reader was awesome till its last day.


That was a service rather than a code product, though I do wish Google released its source code for us self hosters to use rather just kill it.


And someone will likely fork it.




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