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Principles of Pricing (principlesofpricing.com)
261 points by talhof8 on Nov 8, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 23 comments



I'd say it's worth noting that this only applies to SAAS. There's a giant pile of things missing from this if you have inventory, manufacturing or anything else more complex than software and developers.

Pricing is an unbelievably complex subject which this doesn't get close to discussing properly.


If you're looking for another in-depth (139 pages), data-driven pricing guide, I can recommend ProfitWells Price Intelligently guide: https://www.priceintelligently.com/hubfs/Price-Intelligently...


I'd second this. It's a bit waffle-y, but the shout for starting with a Van Westendorp PSM is pretty solid. Would like to have seen a mention of Gabor-Granger as that then helps bring a secondary element of profit maximisation into the mix.

Van Westendorp is great for understanding what prices the market will accept, but not great for allowing you to model what will maximise your returns.

Overall though it's a good intro to the subject.


> https://www.principlesofpricing.com/the-price

The USD 5.00 per month thing is relatively 'cheap' but the designers of the pricing model don't take into account all the other services people are signed up to. This is why super cheap tiers are great, like $1.00/mo tiers where I may not get all features, but at least I get to save some money. Spotify, Netflix, Hosting, Domain Renewals, etc all start to add up.


It's costly and risky to have cheap tiers though. Transactions have a fixed cost, and small transactions tend to be more fraudulent. Fraudulent transactions are not only costly, but if your chargeback rate reaches 1% most financial institutions drop you like a hot potato.


> ... business ... purpose is ... to survive, and ... to maximise profit ...

That is kind of like saying the purpose of human life is breathing. Yes, breathing is critical and fully integrated into existence, but there is so much more to living well. Similarly the purpose of business is to create value. Survival through flows of money comes as a result of that. Money dominated conversations can help, but often miss fundamental issues. For example, there is a big psychological difference between a software service with regular payments versus occasional software releases that can be bought and owned. With the right pricing the two are essentially the same, but customers tend to have very different feelings toward each model.


The bit of the sentance you stripped out was the bit where they emphasised that they were describing a basic and simplified definition because there is actually an entire chapter on what you are talking about - i.e. consumer preferences and different considerations for different models (including "What does the customer perceive it as fair/value when considering SaaS vs perpetual licencing?").

Sometimes you start with overly simplified concepts to help people frame/grasp later ones, i.e. when teaching a child science it's better to teach them that there are 4 fundamental states of matter first, before they later learn that there are 29 known including the Bose–Einstein condensate, Fermionic condensate and Rydberg molecule.


Right. Or what atoms look like.

Atoms don't look like the stereotypical depiction. I remember in my high school chemistry class, our teacher specifically said that atoms were not like this but for teaching at our level, it was fine, but to know that orbits are not like this.

I feel it is crucial that teachers explicitely add the caveat that the explanation is a simplification. It's a whole lot easier to add new info if you know things area simplification, rather than a cast in stone model.


Unlike human life, a business is an artificial construct intentionally created for some specific goal. If its creators chose profit to be this goal - which often is the case, explicitly written in the company founding documentation - then that actually is the purpose of that particular business, nothing else, and nothing more, only creation of money for its creators or future owners.


That's a fair point (artifact vs. living thing, a distinction misunderstood by mechanism especially where teleology is concerned). However, artificial does not mean arbitrary. What is artificial follows from human ends, and human ends are ultimately rooted in the ends of human nature (which, strangely enough, we can live in opposition to). Thus, the normative definition of a business would have to be understood in terms of human nature. Of course, financial profit is desirable, but not in itself, but as instrument. Anyone pursuing profit for its own sake is idolizing money as if it were an end in itself.

So the purpose of a business is to create value for others in exchange for profit (profit is money which is a medium of economic exchange) to be used for other valuable ends. That is to say, both of you are partially right, but incomplete.


> That is kind of like saying the purpose of human life is breathing. Yes, breathing is critical and fully integrated into existence, but there is so much more to living well.

Yeah, this is inaccurate at a systems level. It would be better to say that human life is about ensuring your genes pass on to the next generation. That's life in a nutshell, and from the POV of nature, you're either contributing to that endeavor, or a waste of resources for those who do.

All the higher things of human experience are running on top of the substrate that's self-optimizing to propagate itself further. The purpose is what we ascribe to what we see; nature has no obligation to agree, and as much as it doesn't, we can either suffer, change our understanding of purpose, or - thanks to technology - work to realign nature to our sensibilities.

> Similarly the purpose of business is to create value. Survival through flows of money comes as a result of that.

Similarly here, the importance is reversed. Money flow and profit are fundamental, they're the substrate. They're what the system will do naturally. Value creation is the meaning we ascribe to it, which is not necessary for businesses to run (this one should be plainly obvious, as a lot of well-known businesses, including many hot startups, are arguably net negative). Making the market better align with our ideals takes work, because it's counter to its natural dynamics.


I see your point and I agree. Alas, while not perfect, money is the closest proxy to measure value, not so much from the seller's POV, but the buyer's; how much money-value are they willing to part in order to acquire the goods/services being sold.


Another example might illustrate the difference better: When Steve Jobs returned to Apple he found extremely diverse product offerings intended to offer solutions optimized for features and cost to all segments of the small computer market. Unfortunately this resulted in a confusing mess that even he was unable to navigate. Which Mac should someone buy? Even Steve Jobs could not figure that out, and that is a sign of a serious problem.

The result was a mass consolidation of products. For a time there were high and low end versions of portable and desktop computers and that was it. Deciding between a Mac and a Mac Pro was not confusing or difficult, and this approach worked well with the core values of Apple. The goal of the company was to make computing highly available with systems that Just Worked in predictable and reliable ways. Structuring offerings and price options to make buying decisions easy for people who just wanted a computer caused an immediate boost to both sales and customer satisfaction.

So price optimization can mean very different things. In this case what seemed to be a straightforward targeting of market segments resulted in customer confusion that held back both sales and customer satisfaction. The solution involved a product packaging and pricing strategy that was more aligned with the goals of the company rather than tuning prices to reflect the diversity of the customer base. For best results pricing strategies must be integrated with company goals and messaging.


While I agree a business should have something higher and valuable, business is usually so competitive that mere breathing is hard enough. Most die before even mastering that.


> but customers tend to have very different feelings toward each model.

Seeing the success that Microsoft and Adobe have had once they moved to subscription pricing, it seems like a better business model.

Even small software companies have found that subscriptions are much more sustainable.


Does anybody have a similar article about service or productized service oriented pricing for agencies?


You looking for help with pricing? Or just looking for reading material?


Interesting wrap-up. Most of these things are probably known eve to certain laymen, but good to have them altogether.


Bessemer has created a similar roundup/guide: https://www.bvp.com/pricing-course

For devs who need to implement some type of system to support all these pricing models, we recently started working on https://priceops.org


Are there other good business resources like this for tech entrepreneurs?


You looking for help with pricing? Or just looking for reading material?


Reading materials.


I'll put together a list. Ping me an email - you can find it on my profile.




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