You'll never find a politician worth his/her salt taking cash from a company.
The way its done is to push through favorable laws for a company with a wink and a nod, and then come back and work for the company as a consultant/lobbyist with a minimum 1 million dollar per year salary.
Billy Tauzin did this quite well with PhRMA (lobbying group for pharma companies). He headed up the committee which oversees drug companies and led the push to pass the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill which was quite favorable to drug companies. The bill among other things allows drug companies to set an arbitrary price for the drug without Medicare having the option to negotiate on prices.
As soon as the bill was passed he retired from Congress to lead PhRMA with a $2.5 million USD per year salary. Mission complete.
To attempt to avoid this, Canada has a category of "designated public office holders" whose post-office employment is restricted in various ways for five years, in an attempt to avoid them becoming lobbyists or being paid by lobbyists immediately after leaving office. Sort of like a 5-year noncompete agreement for politicians, perhaps.
There are some similar provisions in U.S. law, but they are easily circumvented by "consulting" rather than "lobbying."
Additionally, the U.S. Constitution does not really permit blanket restrictions on employment for individuals. Among other things, this ties in with the 13th Amendment that bans slavery and indentured servitude. You also have a free speech right to lobby.
In fact, the current restrictions are probably unconstitutional.
Anyway, these measures are treating a symptom. The real problem is that the federal government is vastly too large in size and scope. Reduce the power and programs run by the federal government, and radically simplify the tax code, and you'll dry up the opportunities for corruption.
> Anyway, these measures are treating a symptom. The real problem is that the federal government is vastly too large in size and scope. Reduce the power and programs run by the federal government, and radically simplify the tax code, and you'll dry up the opportunities for corruption.
And that would only treat the problem of government corruption while exacerbating issues of social inequality. I'm all for fiscal responsibility but the empirical evidence seems to suggest that cutting social services and public good projects leads to net harm for society as a whole (see: Texas.)
As a whole, I find the prevalence of libertarianism among tech types curious. As a whole they (we) are often rationalist and evidence-based in orientation but the libertarian position derives more from principle than empirical evidence -- the same charges many libertarians would level against religion-based politics.
You seem to have jumped from the GP's statement that, "[we should] Reduce the power and programs run by the federal government, and radically simplify the tax code, and you'll dry up the opportunities for corruption." to an assumption that social services and public good projects would be cut. If social services and public good projects were cut at the federal level, that doesn't necessarily mean they would not be transitioned to the state or municipal level.
So, I'm curious where it was implied that there would be no social services and/or public good projects unless they were undertaken at the federal level.
That's definitely a possibility, but it's difficult to provide social services without having some sort of control over "immigration", which states and municipalities don't have. With no control over movements, a city offering particularly generous benefits will just get a lot of unemployed people moving there solely to get the benefits (a typical adverse selection problem). Countries mitigate this by having immigration screens that try to filter out people who are only moving there to collect welfare.
A possibility is to phase in benefits based on how long people have lived in a place (e.g. you get 10% of the max Pittsburgh city benefits for each year you've lived in Pittsburgh), but that would put a damper on labor mobility within the US, since people who moved around a lot would always end up with poor benefits (sort of like the old problem with non-portable pensions). And in any case the Supreme Court struck down Alaska's attempt to do that, so it isn't currently an option: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/zobel.h...
If anything, I'd be more interested in going in the other direction in order to enhance intra-US mobility; it'd be nice if I didn't have to change health insurance just because I moved to a different state or got a new job, giving me the freedom to decouple my healthcare choices from other lifestyle choices.
The media's censorship of Ron Paul's campaign is predicated on exactly that idea - that without the federal government there would be no social services.
I can see it from the perspective of a non-empirical rationalism, which attempts to analyze from first principles how markets/societies work (Austrian-school style), and sees it as a sort of rationally understandable clockwork. Although in my case the rationalist approach is actually what makes me skeptical of libertarian positions, because if you analyze from the first principles of dynamical system theory, you get a very different picture of what an economy is, which doesn't have much to do with efficient allocation of anything.
> Additionally, the U.S. Constitution does not really permit blanket restrictions on employment for individuals.
As far as I know, blanket employment restrictions for individuals in the form of "will not do X for N years post-employment" have never been struck down under a U.S. constitutional rationale. Some states (such as California) ban or heavily restrict them, but federal law doesn't appear to.
It wouldn't be unconstitutional for private contracts, i.e. you can make any private agreement restricting your speech - but as a condition of being in public office.
Yes, because once all that power exists at the state level instead, the companies will all surrender and stop trying to incentivize officials into giving them a competitive advantage.
No, more likely they'll just move to the state level. And it'll probably cost them less at that, since state officials are significantly less visible and will have less power.
>No, more likely they'll just move to the state level. And it'll probably cost them less at that, since state officials are significantly less visible and will have less power.
Isn't this also a function of our federalized mindset? This country was designed to function almost exactly inverse to the way it works now -- the more local the representative, the more powerful he should be. It was set up this way to allow more influence from individuals and less influence from outside forces; when you have 3000 or 30,000 constituents, it's a lot easier to pay attention to individuals and to engage in meaningful discussion than when you have 3 million (or more) constituents.
If we fixed the system and put power back where it belonged, wouldn't the prominence follow the power? Wouldn't individual state-wide media outlets become more important than national media outlets? Wouldn't our state representatives become visible again as the primary movers and shakers?
The federal legislature was intended primarily to deal with international affairs, boring stuff like treaties and tariffs. We should keep that their only sphere of influence. At least then corruption would have to work 50 times over to take effect in every state, whereas now you can buy a handful of corrupt politicians and the whole country is stuck with the results.
> It was set up this way to allow more influence from individuals and less influence from outside forces
Empirically that's not what happened: 19th-c local and state administrations were hugely corrupt, in bed with businessmen and power brokers (some local, some national) and largely unresponsive to their constituents. In fact that was some of the reason federalization was popular, to reduce the power of the local machines (and was also one of the reasons behind going to direct election of Senators). The 1950s-60s saw another wave, as the lawless Southern local governments and police forces had to be overridden by the national government.
The difference though is that as you move to a more local level, the ability of people to organize in opposition or support gets greater. There are problems on the state/local level, but not quite the same as on the federal level.
I was in Jakarta recently and saw a diagram of the process to get an ID card. Very clear flow chart, going around in an infinite loop. The way out of this infinite loop, I am told, is to hire an agency to process your application. Of course we call that corruption, but when we pretty much require an immigration attorney in the US to navigate through bringing one's spouse or fiancee into the country, we call that professionalism. I think on one level, we have to accept that some level of corruption is inherent in human organization and it is a problem to be managed rather than eliminated.
I think one of the root problems is how Senate and House committees work, i.e. almost completely unaccountably. I'm sure they have a few debates, but nothing is public. They then present their findings to Congress, which is too busy to properly examine every committee recommendation.
I would honestly support some sort of provision where politicans were never allowed to work again, give them an extremely generous pension (even a million dollars a year pales in comparison to the cost of corruption). I think this is the only real effective way to combat the "revolving door" bullshit.
It would be unenforcable in the same way its impossible to stop every crime, but the fact that it is illegal + the fact that they are getting so well paid anyways, it would greatly disincentivise such activities
The really frustrating thing about Tauzin is that he and his party love to say that government can't do anything right or efficient. Well, government certainly can't do anything right or efficient if laws are written specifically to make it less efficient. There are plenty of examples of Democratic politicians doing the bidding of vested interests for pay so I'm not claiming this is a problem for only one of the parties.
I wonder if the system would be less corrupt if the difference in pay/lifestyle from the top 1% to the top 0.1% were much less. That is, if incomes were taxed at a much higher rate. Going from a $200000 salary to a $2.5 million salary and keeping most of it is too much of an incentive for corruption.
I suspect that countries with the least amount of corruption have the least amount of income inequality.
You don't. They are human too, tempted by greed or afraid of what happens to them when they are done serving.
It goes along with WANTING to be in a political position, if one did not want the money or the power trips then that one is likely also a nutjob of zealous flavor.
The flaw with this logic, is that the ideal politician does not want the job, this could make them incorrigible or careless. It also means almost nothing gets done by the incorrigible politicians (which I have to see as a good trait for any government) and poor quality work is done by the careless ones.
There's Buddy Roemer. He's better than pretty much all other candidates including Ron Paul when it comes to campaign reform. No superpacs. 100 dollar donation limit. It's in every citizens interest(regardless of party affiliation) to make money less influential in politics.
I'd rather put my efforts into reducing the power of the President and move toward more of a parliamentary democracy in the US, which will increase the number of parties and diminish the power any particular party has, and therefore companies won't have such a lock on legislation.
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Regulatory capture is the natural side effect of regulatory control of industries. Look no further than Barney Frank asking the companies he regulated to hire his SO.
A balance of power between multiple branches and levels of government, and aka oversight, can mitigate that.
Not perfect, but neither is nonregulation.
There is no perfect solution, and complain as I do, we still have something good and fixable.
In general I prefer less regulation and smaller government so we can let the market handle resource allocation for us. The less pie for the govt to waste, the better we are.
I believe regulation is definitely needed where there are externalities: pollution, access to education, basic r and d...
I thought Obama already passed a bill that was supposed to prevent lobbyists->industry shenanigans like this when he first came in to office. I remember it being portrayed as the first bill he signed. Am I misremembering things?
It was an Executive Order that only affected the Executive branch. But, there has been some abuses of an exception clause in the executive order. More information can be found at (the previously linked on this thread) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/pr...
I thought Obama was going to 'change' washington and more specifically end the bs lobbying that continues to punish the people of the United States. Most lobbyists are going to be scum, but in a place where having job is so cherished, you can't blame them for doing their job.
How exactly is the President, who is head of the executive branch, going to fix the shenanigans going on in the legislative branch? Remember, the President doesn't make laws, he just enforces them (indirectly, through the Executive branch).
The real problem is that asking legislators to pass laws against their own self interest will never work.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm pretty sure that no President can solve this problem. Blaming Obama because you don't understand high school level US history is pretty sad and doesn't give me a lot of confidence that the average voter will ever solve this problem, either.
The President certainly does have legislative power, some directly appointed and some not. He has the ability to veto bills. His VP--effectively an employee of his branch--has the ability to break ties in the Senate.
He is also the leader of his party. The President can direct the party to focus on a particular issue. Granted, this is more "soft" power than "hard" and there is only so much political capital a President can use. But, Obama in particular was elected with a large majority and is dealing with a Congress that has an approval rating of about 12 percent.
Futhermore, and more indirect, the President can elect Federal judges (not just Supreme Court justices, but Federal court and appellate court judges) that can "legislate from the bench." Effectively creating or destroying law that would prevent or enable, respectively, lawmakers to be a part of the Revolving Door[1] and to take money from lobbyists.
So, yes, most of the blame is on the legislators. But the President does not get a free pass.
A few things to keep in mind. First off, the President appoints judges and justices, but in no way does he guide them once they've been appointed. When appointing these positions, the best the President can do (keep in mind they have to be confirmed by 2/3s of the Senate) is to try to pick someone who will not undo years of jurisprudence the President agrees with. Once the position has been appointed, the President no longer has any control, and I believe the evidence says Presidential initiatives have both been supported and torn down at various times by the same judges and justices they've appointed.
Additionally, the President is the leader of his party,but there is a significantly greater power to being the leader of the Republican party than that of the Democratic party. This is because the Democratic party is much more fragmented and pulls from a much wider pool of underlying ideas than does the Republican one, so legislators representing their communities will be much tougher to keep on a coherent party message on a given issue. This is why, despite the strong hand he was dealt, the healthcare package passed by the Congress was lackluster at best: the Republican support was uniformly against it, while the Democratic support was extremely fragmented.
The President gets a free pass insofar as one has to look and see whether he's used the tools at his disposal to try to guide things in the right direction. You don't judge him by the result, but by whether he did what he could to influence it “correctly”, no matter what the result ultimately was. In the specific case of lobbying/corruption, mind you, I think (a) the evidence is unclear-to-negative and (b) Obama quickly decided to lose the focus on that in favor of trying to pull out of the recession as best he could and passing some of his legislative priorities. Whether the latter was a good decision or not is definitely up for debate. In a similar vein, the civil rights verbiage from the campaign for the most part went into a tailspin within a year of his taking office.
All great points and a finer tooth comb of nuances than my own analysis :)
It all goes to show that the system in Washington is a complex piece of machinery that requires a hacker mentality to succeed. I absolutely and truly believe that the same mentality that makes great programmers also make great political operatives. Regardless of political ideology, I think we, as a community, can get involved to a much larger degree to help influence and shape the world from the other side of the business/government divide.
Definitely true. I think, unfortunately, that it seems like the hacker mentality also lends itself more to cynicism, and the end result is that the hacker mentality lends itself more to a bit of fatalism when it comes to the government. That, combined with the (less pronounced, perhaps) tendency of the hacker mentality to dovetail with introversion, makes it harder for the hacker community to get involved in that sense.
That sounds cynical, of course. I do think we can get better :) And I think SOPA for one was a great example of the community going “hang on just a second here…”
First, the president's only legislative power is the power of the veto. He can't sign a bill that isn't presented to him, so if congress never presents a lobbying reform bill, he never gets to sign it.
Secondly, the purpose of the judicial system is not to "legislate from the bench." It is to strike down unconstitutional legislation. Despite what some recent conservative appointees have decided their role is. Off topic, but I do find it somewhat telling that the few federal judges who think it is their moral right to legislate from the bench usually are deeply involved in right wing religion and other forms of crazy.
Obama could threaten to veto SOPA, but there is little chance of that, specially after he picked as VP a guy we should thank for the DMCA and the PATRIOT Act.
(And after appointing a bunch of ex-MPAA/RIAA lawyers to run the DoJ.)
I agree with you. However, let's not let him off the hook for making ridiculous pronouncements and promises in the first place. Lots of people are sad he didn't "Change Washington"... but really they should never have believed him when he said he could/would. It's simply not under the President's control.
That said, let's be pissed. Not about Washington not being changed but about politicians (Obama included) making promises / claims that anyone with a mastery of HS US Gov't knows are complete hogwash.
I agree with what you said. We should not be mad that he hasn't done it, we should be mad when a presidential candidate makes the ridiculous claim that he could do anything in the first place.
I love candidates like Ron Paul, but even he is dishonest when he says he could "drain the swamp" and cut $1 trillion from the budget. No President has that kind of power.
Let's not forget to also be pissed at the "fourth estate" which offered not a single whit of criticism of Obama's ridiculous statements throughout the primary and presidential campaigns, and instead acted solely as his cheerleaders.
I'm a conservative but I've gotta point out here. The media's guilt on this issue extends beyond Obama, beyond liberals, beyond republicans, and beyond politics.
I think the media has made it clear in recent years they are in the business of entertainment. It's a new form of the stand up routine. The media is the new Laurel and Hardy. They stopped worrying about being "fair and balanced" a long time ago.
The media doesn't call out the asinine claims of various politicians because they need those people to watch their gladiators of choice. The people need to hear the rallying cry and get behind the gladiators that way the media can make money showing the people the images of their chosen gladiators.
The way its done is to push through favorable laws for a company with a wink and a nod, and then come back and work for the company as a consultant/lobbyist with a minimum 1 million dollar per year salary.
Billy Tauzin did this quite well with PhRMA (lobbying group for pharma companies). He headed up the committee which oversees drug companies and led the push to pass the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill which was quite favorable to drug companies. The bill among other things allows drug companies to set an arbitrary price for the drug without Medicare having the option to negotiate on prices.
As soon as the bill was passed he retired from Congress to lead PhRMA with a $2.5 million USD per year salary. Mission complete.