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It’s unreal how many people in the comments here haven’t spent any time researching basic issues in Western housing markets.

People keep talking about evil investors and taxing secondary and investment properties. But the biggest group of housing investors are primary residence owners: we turned housing into a nest egg retirement plan, and now we can’t undo that.

Housing cannot be both affordable and a good investment. Housing should not be any different from any other good or service. This all stems from massive government intervention in housing markets decades ago on the basis of horrible conclusions of family wealth, and further intervention isn’t going to fix things.

You want cheaper housing? Slash regulations and NIMBYism, and get government out of the equation.




Some time ago I saw a TV programme with a couple that invested in housing like that, kind of as a side-business. They also gave seminars on how to do that as a regular person; the tagline was "everyone in the country can get rich by investing in housing!" Ehhhh...

That said, there seem to be multiple factors going on, all combined resulting in the prices we're seeing today: housing as retirement plan, investment companies, population growth, increased urbanisation, AirBnB and short-term rentals, increase of expats, dysfunctional government. It's very hard for me to tell which factor is responsible for how much, which will probably differ per locality, but I don't think there a single factor that explains it all.


Yes on slashing NUMBYism. Its a form of predatory control where those who walked in the door first shut it in the face of the person behind them.

Sadly, NIBMYism was created to give more voice and democracy to everyone. Giving local community groups veto power and other rights empowered some of the worst of us into using it to block all types of housing (especially affordable housing). A perfect example of how a republic is sometimes better than a democracy.


> Sadly, NIBMYism was created to give more voice and democracy to everyone.

NIMBYism wasn't created, it's a naturally emergent property of a rational actor. Then the government poured fuel on the fire with subsidized housing loans, and quantitative easing more generally.

But NIMBYism exists because most people have been conditioned over the past decades that they will make a lot of money from their primary residence. And this is what needs to die.


I see this sentiment a lot, but it doesn't match what I've seen. One of my friends recently bought a relatively expensive house in South Texas and then a bit later plans arose to build an apartment complex nearby (maybe a few hundred units - I forget the details). He rallied his neighbors to talk to their city council and the project was cancelled.

I talked to him about it a bit and mentioned that it was almost textbook NIMBYism and he agreed. The thing is that at no point was home value ever part of his thinking - he bought this house at a bit of a premium to live in the neighborhood that had larger lots, relatively older, professional families, and quiet nights (his old house was near a college campus and had lots of renters who liked to party it up on all nights of the week).

He just wanted to keep his quiet, low-traffic neighborhood. He'd be happy if his house never increased in value since he plans on living there indefinitely and all an increase in price means to him is more in wealth/property taxes.

He is not the only one I've talked to who thinks this way.


I don't know about where you live; but, here in Texas, NIMBYism is an outgrowth of redlining, whose stated purpose was anti-Semitic & anti-nonwhite: it was literally rooted in antidemocratic ideals.


What makes you say that NIMBYism stems from redlining? I've always assumed that NIMBY feelings naturally occur in any society because people dislike change. Under that theory, NIMBY has always existed and always will among those content with their lives. Redlining is a particularly toxic outgrowth of NIMBYism, as I understand it -- a lot of rich property owners saying "no" to folks who don't look just like them living in their neighborhood.

I don't think NIMBYism is inherently undemocratic: in most cases, it has to work through (semi) democratic means, like elected officials.

NIMBYism has an impact on democratic representation sometimes through gerrymandering, though. Maybe that's the connection you're talking about?


Right; no; here's a fully interactive map of the roots of NIMBYism in segregation, from Berkeley:

https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/06/21/how-american-racism-is-...

My wife is actively involved in redistricting litigation, in Texas, and core root of it is from pro-segregation redlining in the early-to-mid 20th century; the intent is disenfranchisement. The set of laws, covenants, HOAs, and attitudes (NIMBY) towards the construction of suburbs is entirely rooted in segregation. That was one of their literal selling points. To this day, there are home purchase covenants restricting Jews and Colored Persons — it's super unfunny when the real estate agent laughs and asks "you're not Jewish, are you? There's this weird, unenforceable provision..."; and, then, you still have to get a Judge to strike the restriction.


True enough, as far as that goes.

But other communities, a long way physically and culturally from Berkley have the same problem.

Here in Aotearoa we have just bought in a law that allows housing intensification, as a right, in three of our largest cities. (The local councils are screaming blue murder in at least one of those). This is because of nimbyism and a chronic housing shortage.

Watch this space. See how it goes.


I have no idea why he’s being downvoted.

Redlining is literally a form of zoning where the explicit law is “I don’t want that person in this neighborhood”

When that became illegal it turned into you can’t build a certain type of housing in this neighborhood. It’s not coincidence that the type of housing that was banned was the type that certain people could afford.


> Housing cannot be both affordable and a good investment

I've mentioned this to a number of people, one thing I've noticed - most people really don't understand compound interest and exponentials well.


Golly.

> compound interest and exponentials well.

They are not magic. Wealth cannot increase exponentially unless it increases exponentially.

Exponential growth never continues.

People draw lines on graphs and say: "compound interest and exponential growth" without making the connection to reality.

You cannot eat interest payments nor lines on graphs.


How do you avoid NIMBYism without the government intervening? Communities tend to self-segregate and self-police unless there's a higher power that doesn't allow it.


NIMBYism is the government intervention. People pass laws giving the government additional powers to regulate specific aspects of zoning and construction.




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