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Yes, I'm asking precisely how to think about external circumstances. If your thinking is that outcomes are because of your decisions, it means if a doctor blows you off after a cancer screening returns abnormal results you must've decided something to result in this. The podcaster decided the only logic there is that if you didn't want the doctor to blow you off you shouldn't have decided to proactively screen yourself for cancer.

Personally, I struggled with thinking about events in my life and my decisions leading to those events precisely because of seeing other people try to take that logic and apply it in good faith, resulting in horrible conclusions. That someone could've prevented their fibromyalgia and therefore they are at fault for getting sick. That someone's child abuse was something they need to take responsibility about.




Don't worry too much about trying to make sense of that advice. It's a bad take that only comes from people who've had the privilege of all of the problems they've known in life being self-inflicted[1]. (That's for the original commenter. The person you're responding to now is engaging in a major moving of the goalposts.)

Here's what I've been prone to tell people instead: you know how to always get what you want—always? It's by wanting what you're going to get.

Some people misunderstand this. It's not about settling or doing nothing. It's rather the opposite. It's to get people to go through the process of interrogating themselves about their wants in a way that engages the logical part of their brain—which is ultimately most likely to be the thing that leads to working out a path to whatever that want is, so long as it's reasonable to think that they can actually get it. In the extreme case you present: "Is it unreasonable for me to want to the abuse to stop?" The answer, of course, is an emphatic no. There's no need to stop wanting that.

In figuring out whether it is reasonable or unreasonable, the question becomes: what is required in order to actually get it?

1. Example <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25468799>


> The person you're responding to now is engaging in a major moving of the goalposts.)

Sorry you feel this way. I genuinely tried to share advice that helped me. The negativity here is astounding. Time to leave.


You are not the goalpost mover[1] that person was responding to...

> Sorry you feel this way.

Time for a new edict: set aside the impulse to hand out apology-shaped non-apologies.

> The negativity here is astounding.

Have you considered your decisions and how it's a result of them?

1. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33072621>


> I paid off $240,000 in 3 years by not being an idiot

> Edit - I went back and checked, it was $140k.

Wow, this person confabulated $100k of merit to themselves. If that's not self-love, I don't know what is.




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