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374 points by goldemerald on Sept 15, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 106 comments



This is excellent.

Was anybody else also hoping for a Victorian HN Front Page with list of parody HN links which one might've expected to see in the 1880s or something?

- New Developments Greatly Increase Steam Engine Efficiency

- Show VHN: I have developed plans for a machine that will travel through time

- Nikola Tesla on Direct Current

- Ask VHN: Is the Trans-Atlantic telegraph cable down?

Any other ideas?


- Label Profusion: a framework to employ a great number of unskilled laborers in the creation of art via the use of simple terms

Followed by...

- Getting your in-home servants to work with label profusion

- Will label profusion cheapen the work of legitimate artists?

- I have tricked my butler into producing a great deal of smut via label profusion


The Daguerrotype Prototype (alpha release): Will it obviate the services provided by dear chaps like John Singer Sargent?


- New study highlights noxious fumes danger from interior gas lamps. (Study funded by Right Honorable Brotherhood of Household Chandlers)


Ask VHN: I have recently been ejected from my Gentleman's club without explanation. I am neither a scofflaw nor a charlatan. Do I have any recourse ?


I merely wished to engage in a lively debate as to the inherent cognitive faculties of the various races -- and had even armed myself with all manner of statistics to reinforce up my arguments! It seems my erstwhile comrades have mistaken my quest to advance the science of phrenology for a hatred of the Irish...


Speaking of such, during a rousing game of backgammon I did have occasion to refer to my opponent as a "Paddy", but I cannot believe that my use of "That Gaming Term" could cause such consternation as to precipitate my removal.


Will 1863 be the year of Linux on the desktop ?


Hahahaha


I'd expect track gauges might be something VHNers could disagree over.


Barring isolated systems (mines, logging) all track should be two meter gauge (78-3/4"). Although the measuring system of our neighbors across the Channel is not widely esteemed here, what we choose here in Britain will of course be widely copied throughout the World. Such a gauge would provide for the future, "future-proof", the Global system of track, allowing wider loads, greater stability for passengers, etc., it being readily apparent that rail is the future of all long distance travel.


- Alternating Current considered harmful


Oof yes, this is exactly the kind of beef I would like to see on VHN.


Probably would end up as:

- [flagged] Alternating Current considered harmful


Ask VHN: I have been locked in the pillory for two days and can't reach anyone.


Numerous inaccuracies discovered in my analytical machine manual transcript (1882 edt.)


"written in Rust" => "powered by steam"


1. I think that arrow is backwards.

2. This is sort of why steam locomotives needed about 8 hours of maintenance per day. Back when VHS tapes were "in", one of my favorite tape sets was restored railroad training films (ok, nerd pron, so what). One of which showed a lot of what went on behind the scenes in a locomotive maintenance facility - and why steam locomotives were limited to 8 hours of work per day: 8 hours driving, about 4 hours cooling down, 8 hours maintenance and about 4 hours of heating the water in the boiler. When diesel electric locomotives started becoming "a thing", some people said thing like "they're junk - the wheels fall off". Looking at why the wheels had such "bad" wear problems, it turns out that those locomotives were being driven 24/7, not 1/3 of the time like steam locomotives.


A treatise on the most prevalent falsehoods, commonly held as truths by mechanical instructioners, on the topic of historical reenactment.


Hahaha. I see what you did there


These are not dissimilar in style from the "100 Years Ago" sidebar in Scientific American in a past now further receding, when I made a regular practice of reading that once-estimable journal.


East India Company to acquire Horse Manure Processing (YC 1842)


Show VHN: Light bulb re-implemented using Carbon


Show VHN: Light bulb re-implemented using Wolfram (by Sir Stephen Wolfram)


-Ask VHN: Should Automobiles Be Banned in the World's Columbian Exposition?

-Transgenderism In The Board Of Lady Managers Shouldn't Be An Issue

Edit: -Managing Micro-Aggressions in the Modern Saloon with Lisp.


-Peak Horse: How and Why Oil and the New Machines will Erase the Carbon Footprint of Our Noblest Beast


Lightbulb magnetism shown to penetrate solid walls -- may disrupt bloodflow if used outside a bedroom.


This is fabulous.

>If you have the temerity to submit a video or pdf, I should be grateful if you would mark it as such, so as not to cause the undoing of my fragile sensibilities.

The temerity, the absolute temerity of assaulting my fragile sensibilities with a pdf or video! I will not countenance it. I say good day to you, sir.


I say old man, I too should jolly well appreciate a fair warning about bandwidth-hungry formats. Too often these days do the rakes and scoundrels of this establishment assault both the senses and the available kilo-cycles of bandwidth with such extravagant formats that are quite unnecessary to communicate one's point. If 5-bit telegraph coding is enough for Her Britannic Majesty it is certainly good enough for her loyal subjects on VHN!


> I will not countenance it. I say good day to you, sir.

I have read that with the voice of an angry John Oliver. Matches brilliantly.


Along similar lines:

If PHP Were British: https://aloneonahill.com/blog/if-php-were-british/

Reddit Proper: https://www.reddit.com/r/proper/


From the first link:

would_you_mind {

    // Code here
} actually_i_do_mind (Exception £e) {

    // Politely move on

    cheerio('Message');
}

I've laughed my ass off with that. Thanks for sharing!


What a splendid piece of entertainment! Thank you for sharing it with us, my dear fellow.


Announce “splendid!”;

I am going to have a lot of fun with this at work! :)


This was hilariously brilliant! :-D


My fellow countrymen, I am grateful for the time you have given to my humble endeavor, and I remain ever hopeful that you will find some small gem of beauty or truth that will illuminate your day.

The code, if one wishes to peruse it, may be found upon the GitHub website. [1]

[1] https://github.com/lwneal/victorianhackernews


This reminded me of the "Victorian Laptop" that Justine Cassell and students worked on at the MIT Media Lab, in the late 1990s.

IIRC, in the original idea, the Victorian Laptop hardware was an antique portable wood laptop desk, retrofitted with PC electronics and custom software, and the purpose was to relate/connect the user's thoughts in a particular location to the writings of others who've been in some similar context before. With the time-traveler writing desk adding to the reflective experience.

(Physical craft-wise, this was before the steampunk DIY computers that we see today. Cassell collected antique writing desks, had inspiration from those, and some energetic students worked on figuring out and building it.)

http://www.justinecassell.com/publications/narr_intell.vlt.9...

Seems like modern ML tools should open up more possibilities along these lines. I'd like to see the focus on leveraging information and computation for genuine experiences and accurate understand (not, say, some of the currently more obvious automated content generation applications, for SEO, addictive engagement, demagoguery, etc.)


The temerity of linking a pdf without such marking as would give light to its nature... Quite undignified as the good sir imgabe has duely noted.

Respectfully yours, derac


"Do not complain to me, gentle reader, that a submission is inappropriate. Rather, take it upon yourself to peruse the rules and guidelines, and to use your best judgment in making a decision. If you find a story to be spam or off-topic, you are within your rights as a reader to report it to the moderators, that it might be dealt with swiftly and the site returned to its former glory. Do not attempt to engage those who would fling the most vile and abhorrent comments; instead, report them so that they might be dealt with swiftly and with the utmost severity. It is the custom of many a gentleman to flag, when the arduous journey has become too much for their failing strength, yet they will not deign to offer the lady a word of explanation or apology, but will continue to drive on relentlessly, as if nothing were amiss, leaving the poor lady to wonder what has become of her escort, and whether he has met with foul play."

Brilliant.


Victorian AWS: https://victorianaws.com/

    S3 is a glorious bastion of uptime in the otherwise storm-tossed sea of the World Wide Web, a shining beacon of safety to which one may entrust one's most valuable data, whether files, or precious objects, or even blobs of the most unique and ephemeral content.


Anyone else stressed out how good ML approach is advancing in AI? I feel left behind...


Don't believe everything (anything?) you read on the internet is my adage, good sir/madam ducktective.


One of the perks of technology that move very fast is that everyone is out of touch weekly due to frequent updates and major changes. So you can look at the state of things and you will not be that far behind the main group.


Cool! What's the prompt for this? ("on-topic" doesn't sound very Victorian though).


The out-of-character introduction/explanation links: https://twitter.com/thesephist/status/1551357782510673923


I find this much more readable than the genuine article - kudos


"The time is not ripe for idle banter on the vagaries of the world." has a real "Free Beer Tomorrow" energy to it.


I had to Google that phrase to see if there was any record of it. It's genuinely astounding to me that a robot came up with that.


I imagine the comments of such a site to be filled with people exclaiming “How dare you Sir! How very dare you!”


Wouldn't the Victorians have used 'enquiry' and not 'inquiry'?

(Asked in all honesty and w/o an ounce of snarkiness because to this day I still struggle with the difference)


I've never been implored so much in one sitting. I love it. Great job.


As a person from Victoria, Australia, I can confirm this is exactly how we all speak.


As a West Australian, all I can say as a representative of the rest of the country is: we know.


I can confirm: this is why I left.


As sense prevailed you must have come north and joined us in our brash Emerald City. ;-)

_

(Local cut, for the bemused an explanation here: https://theculturetrip.com/pacific/australia/articles/why-sy...)


I moved to what is universally referred to as "The Sydney of America": San Francisco.


I well understand that (having worked there for short periods). And my sibling's in laws come from there.


Some researchers say Victorian era people were more intelligent than people in our present time, and after reading the Victorian guidelines, maybe they're right.

https://phys.org/news/2013-05-victorian-era-people-intellige...


This is sincerely, really stupid. General intelligence being measured by reaction time greatly misses the question. Monkeys have significantly higher reaction times than humans. Never surpassed the stone age, did they?


Reminds me of a species of small fish passing the mirror test[0] while dogs fail it.

[0]: https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-self-aware-fish-raises-doub...


I'm not saying the conclusion is accurate, but there is a correlation between mean reaction time and intelligence in humans. That doesn't mean that you can extrapolate intelligence from reaction time of Victorian era people. Their reaction time could be better for other un-accounted-for reasons. But it's not like the researchers just made up a link between reaction time and intelligence out of thin air because it sounded true. There really is a correlation between the two.

I would say this is weak evidence in favor of Victorians having higher intelligence, and insufficient to actually draw that conclusion. But still, evidence.


Never seen a monkey get stuck late at work, though.


I wonder if there's an Victorian -> contemporary English filter. While I actually like Victorian prose, I know some people (especially non-native English speakers) are put off from reading Charles Dickens and the like because of the Victorian style which can come across as stilted to to modern ear. Maybe a filter could be made to make Victorian prose seem more modern.


It’s not just the phrasing, though; there’s also a lot of cultural context that the modern reader will miss without footnotes to guide them. For example, from Oliver Twist:

> It was a meanly furnished apartment, with nothing but the contents of the closet to induce the belief that its occupier was anything but a working man; and with no more suspicious articles displayed to view than two or three heavy bludgeons which stood in a corner, and a “life-preserver”* that hung over the chimney-piece.

> * ‘life-preserver’: stick weighted with lead; widely used for self-protection.

That footnote rather drastically changes the mental picture for the modern reader!


That reminds me of how, in A Christmas Carol, Dickens describes a ghost glowing like "a bad lobster in a dark cellar". Some modern people think Dickens was just being surreal, but there was a real meaning to this. Before refrigeration, people would keep meat and seafood in the cellar as was cooler than elsewhere. But not cool enough and things would rot after a couple of days. One of the bacteria that rots seafood is Vibrio, which often has genes for luminescence. So you could see if seafood had gone off if it glowed.


Please don't. Half of the fun is the time travel into a different culture, or maybe even most of it.


Wonderful. Two thoughts:

- Is the use of the first person entirely correct? Shouldn't there instead be some reference to the convening institution, such as "management" or "proprietors", or the community? (Though I would think that for HN the convening institution would be something less commercial.)

- It would seem a different font is in order.


Next up, New International to King James.

Bonus Butlerian Jihad:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=joshua+8%3A28&v...


Not enough commas.


To make such an unwarranted accusation, serves only to reveal, Sir, that you, Sir, are no gentleman!


Indeed, Sir, I am not; a mere gadfly on the rump of society, such is yr. humble correspondent. Yet even one unskilled in letters, such as I, may become sensible of a certain terseness, an unaccustomed lack of elegance, a rude brevity, in a communication, when it is flourished in front of his nose.

It is an unfortunate habit of mine, the subject of well-intentioned chiding from my friends, that I return like for like: thus, my response. I cravenly pray your indulgence for my peccadillo.


Can we apply it in reverse so we can finally understand what Keynes actually meant?


It’d be more interesting if there were a Victorian HN front page


I recognize that sweet distinctive scent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoqlYGuZGVM


Show VHN: Ada Computer Programming Language

— Lovelace


"Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its space laser network"

...

"The article is about how to enable JavaScript in order to use twitter.com."


Also, "The article is urging the reader to update their browser to a newer version."


Darn, I was hoping this would be a parody of HN's fixations transmuted into Victorian equivalents. This is still pretty neat, though.


Ha, 20 years later, AI has finally improved on the old late-90's language filters. Remember the "jive filter", anyone?


Was that real? Or was it just a skit on Airplane?

0 - https://youtu.be/GxQXSfJu8SA?t=34


Haha, well, it was definitely a real program someone wrote!


I keenly await the Shakespearian follow up.


Shakespearean English in the sense of being written in the style of Shakespeare, rather than of his era, is without doubt beyond GPT-3


Although brevity

Suggests that a series of

Haiku might bring joy


Thine brevity is bereft of wit. And thy poem rhymes like that of a twit.

Loquacious scribings hath wit overflowing like the bacchanalian cup overfloweth with wine. And so brother take my Shakespearian cup of rhyme, and come let us dine.

(Sorry couldn't think of anything that rhymed with wit. Except tit which isn't better, or dimwit.)


Funny; I was looking for the code or site that does this transform and unfortunately I couldn’t find it.


Radioactive elements twice a day improve productivity: a study


I’ll piggyback on this to show something I made: autosummarized HN. https://danieljanus.pl/autosummarized-hn/

I originally intended to run it for a month only, but when OpenAI slashed prices at the beginning of September, I figured another month won’t hurt.


Great idea! Though in several instances it essentially repeats the submission title (which isn't too bad, but maybe you can instruct it to extend from the title?).

I laughed at this one, you might want to take a look at it:

> The article is about how to enable JavaScript in order to use twitter.com


> I laughed at this one, you might want to take a look at it:

It's a feature!


You should make a Shown HN for yourself!


fr gen-Z HN would be bussin no cap on god


Should be automated moderated by AI.


Rhyming couplets or Klingon next pls


Hahaha. Oh that's hilarious.


I love it


Quite.


Hear, hear! Wot wot.


Great site but can the author of the site improve its readability for desktop users?

I find the text visually hard to read (not the text in itself). In Firefox for example the Reader mode is not available which would also help.

(I'm a regular web user, I know it's not great but I have no idea how to improve it)

If anyone has good tips/tools/links for the author please reply with them.


A relevant quote from the linked article:

> I implore you, dear reader, to set aside your petty grievances; trifling things such as the format of an article or website, the unfortunate repetition of a name, or the vexing loss of information when pressing the back button. They are so common and so lacking in originality that they have no interest whatsoever.

But for real, the styling is just copied from the original: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


That's so good I'm tempted to replace the existing rule with it.


I find it incredible that this was written by an AI and it translated:

> back-button breakage

into

> the vexing loss of information when pressing the back button

It's a remarkably good translation.

Then again "the unfortunate repetition of a name" does not have quite the same meaning as "name collisions".


> Then again "the unfortunate repetition of a name" does not have quite the same meaning as "name collisions".

I noticed that too. I wonder what a more precise wording would be.


Homonyms. The unfortunate reuse of a name for an unrelated thing.


Should

> "They are so common"

be

"These are so common"

?


It has the same look as the HN guidelines.

Reader mode seems to work on the HN guidelines page, but not on this page, although the markup appears to be the same. Not sure what's up with that.




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