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I wonder if the reason babies cry so often is because they are "supposed" to be carried by their mother constantly in a hunter-gatherer setting.


Probably it’s because their whole body is in pain, since all of the sensors are not fully calibrated yet.

We are constantly in pain, it’s just that we have calibrated our brains to ignore specific levels of pain or cut off completely sensors.

Typical example of signal we filter out is the sense of our organs moving inside our body.


They're also... growing fast. That probably hurts...


I've referred to the first 3 years as a slow-motion hulk morph of stretchiness.

Hulk is grimacing for a reason ;)


I have never heard of this. Seems like you're suggesting that it is possible to recalibrate the brain to ignore pain - like a toothache, for example?


I think this is why doctors consider chronic pain kind of not a thing. We are supposed to recalibrate. But I'm personally pretty sure this is nonsense and they have convinced themselves this is true so they don't have to feel bad about withholding powerful painkillers due to society disapproving of them.


This sounds pretty fanciful and ungrounded. In general doctors don't "consider chronic pain kind of not a thing". I have chronic pain, I see doctors about it, and none have ever expressed any doubt. Quite the opposite: some of the doctors are chronic pain specialists. There are pain management centres at hospitals to help people with it, and they prescribe "powerful painkillers" if they're useful, but they often just aren't (e.g. for me).


> so they don't have to feel bad about withholding powerful painkillers due to society disapproving of them

little reality check for you: https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/epidemic/index.html


I guess oscillating pain is also "chronic pain" and you want calibrate for that.


> Probably it’s because their whole body is in pain, since all of the sensors are not fully calibrated yet.

Anyone have a source for this? It sounds really interesting, but never heard anything like it.


> We are constantly in pain, it’s just that we have calibrated our brains to ignore specific levels of pain or cut off completely sensors.

> Typical example of signal we filter out is the sense of our organs moving inside our body.

Interesting, do you have a source for this? Would love to read more.


I remember running into this idea when I was taking care of a colicky infant. Baby carrying slings and wraps seemed very popular among new parents. This article covers some of the evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2005/jun/08/familya...

In my experience, baby carrying is great but some babies just cry. My first child was held constantly, and we spent every evening bouncing hard on a yoga ball with her, but it wasn't enough to fully quell the crying.


Baby sling / baby carrier is just miraculous. First daughter with second wife was crying a lot and we had to carry her much. With the sling you can basically carry the baby and still have the hands free and keep on with your stuff.

You also have to learn to recognize the stages of sleep. Hold the arm of the baby up and down. If the arm remains in the air, this is light sleep. If the arm feels heavier and goes down all the way, this is deep sleep. Only then put the baby into the cot. This is quite important to know.


Some babies still cry even if carried all the time;

But there is an issue in our society that if you are looking after a baby by yourselves during the day, so nobody to hand them to, you do need to put them down briefly for practical reasons.


They're supposed to be nursing... I don't know why people are being weird and complicated about this. If the baby is crying, breastfeed.


This may have worked for you, but I've seen babies cry after breastfeeding and burping. I've seen parents try to force them to breast feed and they bob on and off because they just aren't hungry.

The breastfeed strategy worked probably less than half the time for my oldest.

I'm glad this works / worked for you. If only it were this simple for the rest of us!


1.) Some women will never produce milk in sufficient quantities after the child is born, just due to random luck.

1a.) Formula is expensive, takes minutes of effort to prepare, and not always obtainable.

2.) Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Comfort nursing at certain stages of the child's life will end up sleep training them in a negative way.

3.) Some babies are born with impairments that do not allow them to nurse effectively, or at all.

4.) Moms need a break from nursing too.


There are lots of babies who can’t breastfeed efficiently unfortunately.

They slowly run out of energy while trying to suck and you only realize in horror when they don’t wake up from their hypoglycaemic “nap” by themselves anymore.

Breastfeeding is a wonderful thing and it’s an important default more mothers should be able to practice for as long as they and their child need and want to.

It’s also a highly complex process that often even a lactation consultant won’t be able to “fix”.

So yeah no shame, just empathy for all involved.

Feeding suddenly gets 1000x harder especially when deciding to go down the commendable road of pumping. All while potentially suffering from additional knock-on effects from lack of often very effective comforting-through-breastfeeding for example.

Even if health, general well-being and circumstances allow getting breast milk into a baby over even just the minimally recommended time can be one of the hardest things you’ll ever witness your partner go through.

For the lucky - majority I’m hoping - it can be both very fulfilling and sensual bonding probably even relaxing to the mother as well.

Be very thankful if that’s so in your case.


If supply is low, you can still comfort nurse and supplement with formula to make sure they actually get enough nutrition.


Tell me you’re not a parent without telling me you’re not a parent.

Babies cry for very few reasons, and reason number one, two, and three, is hunger.


Depends on age.

When teething number one two and three are teeth.


Teething is miserable no doubt, going through it now. My comment assumed we were talking children who were not yet teething. Possibly a bad assumption on my part.


I've had a colicky baby who cried not because he wanted to nurse (he would stop wanting to nurse after a certain point) and not because he was hungry. There are a certain percentage of babies with colic, we don't know why they cry but they cry and carrying them, nursing them, feeding them breastmilk through a bottle doesn't really help.

Then for our son, it grew less and by the time he was 3 months old, he was a very happy baby.


> Teething is miserable no doubt, going through it now.

What took you so long to start teething?


come to our house between 22 and 01 AM and I’ll show you a baby whose intense crying is inconsolable by breastfeeding


Hold him, breastfeed him and co-sleep with him and he'll be fine. Otherwise you're doing something wrong.

It's basic common sense, if babies evolved to scream for no reason for long hours in the wild, early humans would have been killed off by nocturnal predators ages ago.


> Hold him, breastfeed him and co-sleep with him and he'll be fine. Otherwise you're doing something wrong.

Some humility would serve you well.

Some babies, even toddlers, scream loudly for extended periods with no way to console them. Our neighbor a decade ago had one such child. They were great, loving parents. The kid was obviously happy and content. Yet, every night, for several hours, she was a siren. They saw lots of doctors. They started with co-sleeping, for what it's worth. In the end, a separate bed and a parent reading a book with ear plugs [for several hours] seemed to cause the child the least distress.

When the child was 2, and still screaming, a new neighbor moved in. They spread neighborhood gossip of child abuse. They called the police and child protective services. Luckily, their case was so well documented, it was not an issue. The issue was "resolved" with better soundproofing.

The kid is a teen now. Extremely kind, well adjusted, helpful, smart, and, a sound sleeper. She's obviously loved very much her entire life. I think the parents did a great job.


My point still stands. Behind many a crackpot on Kensington Ave are well-meaning "good" Parents.

Shrieking children for hours is very much a modern phenomenon.


”It has been an age-old practice to drug crying infants. During the second century AD, the Greek physician Galen prescribed opium to calm fussy babies, and during the Middle Ages in Europe, mothers and wet nurses smeared their nipples with opium lotions before each feeding. Alcohol was also commonly given to infants.”

yeah it’s a modern phenomenon because overzealous regulatory agencies gatekeep parents’ access to opium lotions


Your statement is so absurd that the only explanation is that you must not have had children. Hunger is only 1 of a dozen different reasons why babies will cry.


To be fair, giving them a boob does often comfort them, even if it's not hunger or thirst.

The advice is still not generally applicable.

(About half the parents in the world, fathers, aren't even capable of producing milk.)


Someone who has never seen a breast after feeding the babies that bite for long, and never known the pain when babies suck the hurt nipple.. Yes, we all would like to breastfeed the babies and keep them calm forever. (I am a father of twins)




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