Why do they want to add all our traffic to their backbone?

crazytalk · on Sept 10, 2022

Much easier to get a global view of Internet behaviour when there are only one or two DCs worth of ClickHouse clusters needing tapped

Related question: given this obviously generates logs, what are CloudFlare doing to protect log data in transit within its own network from similar attacks to the Google-NSA episode? ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i... )

robocat · on Sept 10, 2022

What was to stop the NSA funding, creating, acquiring, or controlling CloudFlare so as to be useful for MITM surveillance?

stjohnswarts · on Sept 11, 2022

I suspect the 5 eye countries don't have to pay a dime and have complete access to traffic and records on it. Hence everyone pushing encryption to at least make it a bit harder for them.

rozenmd · on Sept 10, 2022

Hint: bot detection is one of Cloudflare's products

datalopers · on Sept 10, 2022

Same reason as they offer free TLS termination. Someone is paying for all of that unencrypted and/or de-anonymized traffic across an increasingly large portion of all internet activity.

TechBro8615 · on Sept 10, 2022

Any source for that disparaging claim?

datalopers · on Sept 10, 2022

PRISM and FISA/FAA. 15 years ago every telecom and internet company was providing backdoor access to communications. What makes you think that somehow that has changed? US laws sure haven't and the technology has only improved.

TechBro8615 · on Sept 10, 2022

I don’t think it’s changed, but the claim was that people (“someone”) are paying Cloudflare for access to these logs.