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When the Danube water level dropped recently, some old WWII ships were revealed. Is there enough demand for low-background steel to pay for their removal?



Here in Oslo we've been enjoying the Tirpitz ever since the end of the war, as covers during roadworks[1].

[1]: https://blog.usni.org/posts/2009/11/16/history-in-these-plat...


The article mentions that half-lives are such that it's not much of a problem even for "everyday steel" any more:

> But the days of low-background steel are coming to an end. Cobalt-60, the most common radioactive isotope found in our air from the nuclear blasts, has a half-life of around 5.3 years. Since the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in 1963, the atmosphere has become less, well, radioactive, meaning that increasingly the steel we make today – and hope to make in the future – is fit for our satellites after all.


I'm doubtful that the Danube is deep enough to protect against elevated background radiation, like the deep sea does.

Furthermore there is this nice graphic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube#/media/File:Danubemap.p...

marking the flow of the Danube in red, and beginning with the two first maps in

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kernreaktoren_in_Deu...

I'm even more doubtful. Of course it would depend on how far upstream the wrecks are, but...


In the article they say the problem is with radioactive contaminants in the large volumes of air that are pumped through the molten steel to purify it when it's made. My impression is that steel that's just exposed to the environment isn't necessarily contaminated.


The issue with radiation in the steel is due to atoms in the air when the steel is being cast. They are mixed into the material when it's molten.

The steel being made before 1945 is what protects against radiation.

Storage at the bottom of a river just means that it hasn't been found and recycled or scrapped already. It would still be "low background" if it had been stored elsewhere, exposed to air or not. The exposed surface layer can always be cleaned off or ground away. But what permeates the material is there for a long time.


The article also closes by noting that regular steel will work now, given the half life of the isotopes that are in steel, so there is no longer a need to salvage old metal, as I understood it.


You don't need very deep water to protect against radiation. As always, relevant xkcd: https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/


The water level and resulting radiation attenuation has nothing at all to do with the steel being "low-background steel" (1)

it's just that's where you typically find untouched pre-1945 steel objects.

The contamination occurs during the manufacture of the steel.

1)

> Low-background steel is any steel produced prior to the detonation of the first nuclear bombs in the 1940s and 1950s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel


I'm curious why you can't just go to like an old building or something and pull steel from that?


If the building was put up before 1945, I would assume that you can.


I've seen that xkcd before. Maybe I made the wrong association because so far most wrecks which have been used for that were in deeper waters. Which when one thinks about it probably is for the simple reason that there were more fights at sea, than in rivers.


The most famous collection of wrecks used for this, at Scapa Flow, are in 12 to 45 metres of water [0]. Not really deep, as the ocean goes.

Generally the ships are deep enough that it was uneconomic to salvage them before, but not so deep that it's prohibitive to get at them now.

The USS Indiana, also mentioned in the article as a source of low-background steel, was never sunk [1]. It seems it was dismantled and meant to be scrapped, but no one got around to recycling the steel.

[0] https://www.northlinkferries.co.uk/orkney-blog/wrecks-of-sca...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indiana_(BB-58)




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