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And when sellers decide forced deprecation and e-waste are acceptable, consumers aren't really deciding.



Different sellers have different policies, customers can pick which (if any) policy they like better. New supplier can enter the market.


If it actually worked that way, we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?


We would, since I'd argue most people (hence, "the market") find having sealed batteries "acceptable", or, at least, not reason enough to not buy the product.

Most of the people I know replace their phones often enough that it doesn't seem to be a problem, and usually the battery isn't the issue. They mostly break them / get stolen / they just want the new shiny.


Thep problem with Market Extremists, is they they are so high on their own supply, they do not notice when they make statements that outright contradict the real world we live in. They live in a separate fantasy land, just like communists do.

Fist falsifiable statement about e-waste policies - if it is so easy to read a company's e-waste policy, could you tell me which companies had policies that said "we will ship this waste to Indonesia and Africa, where it will de dumped without reprocessing and poison children'? If companies are so open about this information, and they want consumers to have a choice, then why do they send armed goods to beat up journalists investigating E-waste supply chain? If I buy a phone from a company that says 'we fully reprocess every single atom' and then it turns out they don't, why do they not go to jail for fraud?

Second falsifiable statement - 'people find having sealed batteries "acceptable" - this claim is not difficult to check - have you ever asked people on the street what they think about this? Have you looked at polls? Majorify of people prefer removable batteries.


I fully agree with your first point.

Concerning the second, I would also tend to agree, but I'd argue that both can be true.

Most people don't solely buy a phone or other device based on the battery.

I would personally prefer a phone with a user-replaceable battery. But I don't prefer it enough as to be the most important thing when buying a phone.

I prefer an iPhone enough (for its other characteristics) compared to a cheap Android phone that I'll accept the non-replaceable battery. Hell, even if the latest Galaxy Sx had a replaceable battery, I'd still buy an iPhone with a non-user replaceable battery. However, if I had the choice between a regular iPhone and one with a user-replaceable battery (even if it were thicker), I'd buy the latter. But I won't go without an iPhone just because of the sealed battery.

Why? Because I prefer using iOS. And during the more than five years that I've had my iPhone 7, when the battery started being "degraded", I rode my bike to the closest Apple repair shop and had it replaced for the price of a Galaxy S5 battery. Again, I would have preferred to be able to do it myself, and be able to carry a spare battery when riding my motorbike in the middle of nowhere. But not enough that I'll buy an Android phone with a user-replaceable battery.


Flashlights with replaceable batteries are readily available (and almost surely dominate the flashlight market). If that’s true, anyone buying a flashlight with a non-replaceable battery has genuinely determined it’s acceptable (to include irrelevant) for their use case.

Every smartphone I’m aware of has had a replaceable battery and I’ve personally done replacements on about 2/3 of them. (I tend to buy 2 year old phones at a significant discount to original cost, meaning I replace more batteries than someone who buys new and upgrades every one to two years.)


I don't think most batteries in smartphones are intended for replacement. For example, here is the process for a Google Pixel 3a: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Google+Pixel+3a+Battery+Replace...

Now, can it be replaced? Yes. Is it intended to be within the skillset of the average consumer? Clearly not.


Majority of people _say_ that they prefer removable batteries. But what people say and what they actually do are different things.


If you are going to accuse consumers of being inconsistent or dishonest, then what about the companies?

What manufacturers think and what they want us to think are different things.


Yes, companies are made up of people, too. They can face legal consequences for lying to customers, though.


This is basically a fantasy, chaims about how well you are paying your workers and how natural and recycleable are the products never resulted in fraud charges.




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