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The stuff you’re critiquing does have mainstream appeal though. If it didn’t they wouldn’t sell well. Yet they do.

Honestly, the views here smack more of elitism than any deep understanding of what the mainstream like.




You're completely misunderstanding what I don't think is a difficult point.

Don't look at sales of the folding phones for example... look at sales at the very first folding phone (low production Samsung model)

Look at sales of not 120hz screens, but the first 120hz (spoiler: It was a low production Razer gaming phone)

Look at the laptop linked here... clearly it is not meant to sell in mainstream numbers like a Macbook

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Other companies seem to be ok with releasing what are essentially prototypes with production bodies. There's bound to be teething issues, but they're ok with that.

And the feature might have mainstream appeal, but the entire device they release it on does not... at least not in the current iteration.

Apple on the other hand seems to only want to release once they can release in full force and maximum widespread appeal.


I understand your point perfectly fine. What you’re doing is cherry picking examples to suit a personal bias and ignoring the fact that some of your examples of “unready technology” not only sell well but are hugely loved by those who own it.

Take the Samsung phone you’re citing. One of my non-technical friends has one and absolutely loves it.

Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you. And Apple have released plenty of hardware that has absolutely been unfit for mass market. The destination you’re making here is purely your own bias.


Again, being way way way too defensive, and completely missing the point because you're so focused on being as combative as possible.

Things like the Galaxy Fold are successful products aimed at non-mainstream scale.

No one is calling those features useless, or unappealing, it's the entire package that is intentionally not marketed for the mainstream.

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It's ironic because you seem to be getting increasingly upset thinking that this is all pro-Apple propaganda, when the reality is I'm saying Apple is afraid of taking risk and iterates internally instead of externally which isn't necessarily a good thing... we've seen that with AirPower for example.

Odd how some people get about these companies, this really shouldn't be such an emotional topic, it's pretty much non-debatable that Apple doesn't really do the kind of device in this post, while other manufacturers do.


I’m not getting emotional. I’m simply tell you that you’re wrong.

If you feel there is an emotional component to this discussion then that is something you are injecting yourself.


> Plenty of companies have successful products with hardware that you consider beneath you.

That's a crazy emotional statement and a completely wrong interpretation of what was written!

I'm saying these are features that are so cutting edge they can't even be packaged in mainstream hardware... and you transformed that into me calling them "beneath me" because you're rationally interpreting what I write? Or emotionally responding without comprehending. The latter no?


I’m not being emotional. That phrase was chosen because, as I’ve posted already, my opinion of your comments is that the differentiator here is nott technology but rather your preferences in technology. You then go on to argue your preferences as being better than other peoples (by proxy due to dismissing other peoples preferences as “not ready”). Hence why I considered your opinion to be one of elitism rather than a pragmatic evaluation.

But since you’ve degraded this conversation into a pointless meta-debate about whether I’m getting emotional or not (I’m clearly not but would it really matter if I were?), shall we just agree to disagree and get on with our lives? It’s pretty obvious no constructive discussion is going to come from our discourse.


> You then go on to argue your preferences as being better than other peoples

Show one example of this. A single place where I say or remotely imply anything about either strategy is better than anything.

In fact, show one place where I show a preference. You're literally imagining my preferences. After all, I've owned some of these devices... I've owned the first 4k phone (an Xperia), I've owned interesting low volume hardware like lightfield tablets and cameras.

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I am saying that brand new tech that literally cannot be scaled, like can't even be manufactured in mainstream numbers, is released by some manufacturers, but not by others.

Like it's not even an opinion, it's a statement of fact which is why it's mind-blowing that it's gone this far in back and forth, and again, makes me look for meta reasons why this is even an argument...

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> I’m clearly not but would it really matter if I were?

I guess I was being charitable in assuming the reason why you:

- missed so many plainly stated points

- keep using really combative retorts like "you think your preferences are better than others'"

- keep putting words I never said or implied in my mouth

Was emotion... but it might just be malice? So yes, I enthusiastically agree to disagree.




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