Yeah, do you know that's run by the police. Indeed here is a good example somebody I know experienced. They gave statments to the police about somebody, the police then inturn handed those statments to that person who was able to prove to the dealers that wasn't their fault and get them back in the next day. Complaint to IPCC was dismissed completely.
"you people" is never a good place for debate, more so when you glibly dismiss it in a derogatory manner, but then many police etc have that level of arrangance that does them and everybody else no good. You might want to look at things from the other way around perhaps, would you be happy with such a dismissive glib response? I'd say no, and who would.
I'm ok with the apathetic and negative so long as they don't try to infect others. I've no time for whingers, I've a lot of time for people who try - and they may fail (I've had my share of that), but at least they tried.
They tried and were failed and to dismiss that as not the IPCC's fault without knowing the nuances is an easy solution. Whilst nothing is perfect - who polices the people who police the police is perhaps the question. More so given that much of their work is done by...the police themselves. Sure the IPCC now changed to IOPC though still the same issue of not being as indepentant as purported.
Now if it was truely independant with investigations not pulling in and using the police for way to many instances, well - the word independant would carry some weight beyond name only.
As it stands, they are not as independant as people think and who do you esculate to after that? So yes, can see why many have nothing left open to them beyond what some would say winging but when you look at the whole structure. Is being unfairly treated winging or vocalising unjustice, well I'd say the later over jumping upon the former would be a far more fairer go to given all the facts.
OK, I know something about handling stuff like this. The first thing you do is escalate it to your MP. The next thing is to publicise it - organisations just hate being embarrassed in public so you push it to the papers. I know this first hand.
You are right, I don't know the nuances and when you start to look into some people's stories, stuff starts to fall apart often enough and the injustice isn't what it seemed, or may not be there at all, it becomes just grudge. But I do want a better sciety, and I really wish we had a more constructive discussion - HN's threads are sometimes the nearest we get to a perpetual motion machine, forever turning but nothing changes.
