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> current biggest grip with dt... why are those damn arrows at the edges of the screen so tiny??? Expanding and retracting the side panels requires pixel-perfect accuracy on a ~20px target. I know I could use keyboard shortcuts, but my brain isn't wired for them yet.

You can make them bigger through some CSS tweaks: https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/development/en/prefere...



It's open source, you can change anything. The UI shouldn't be so annoying and hostile out of the box regardless.

I reported this issue on irc years ago and the dev response was so hostile I abandoned trying to use it and never looked back. I pay Adobe $500/year for software that had been tested by users with developers silently watching.


Most projects have an issue tracker where one proposes changes or reports bugs. The IRC channel is labeled "Support channel for darktable" rather than "Tell the developer how they ought to better serve me for free"

People have a finite slice of their life to give you for nothing. Putting specific suggestions on the issue tracker seems more respectful of their time.


I raised a ticket on an open source project about a defect. It was open for 6 months with no comment. So I fixed it and did a PR. The PR was still sitting there open after 6 months. More interesting PRs to the developers have been merged.

Attention and stewardship are not universal.


What I usually do when I see promising projects and slow devs.

1. "This one issue is what is stopping me from using this product. Is this current method preferred by your users or do you have any other reason to not want to change?"

2. "The proprietary solution costs $X per month. Is there any way to sponsor development? I am willing to give $X/n (where n is whatever number you are comfortable with) per month to get this issue merged and to have some sort of prioritization when triaging issues.

3. Failing those: write a blog post and propose a fork. This is usually the quickest way to get a reaction from narcissistic developers.


Maybe some of these developers are just, you know… busy.


It's the busiest developers who would be interested in receiving PRs. If they go unanswered for six months, it is a clear signal that there is something stopping else them from action.


Do you think busy devs who also run open source projects tend to have plenty of time to set a high priority on FOSS?


Is Dark Table just a side-project from one busy developer?


> It's the busiest developers who would be interested in receiving PRs.

Depends on the PR. Bugfixes sure, but new features mean more work for the maintianer in the future.


It is also an opportunity for someone to feel involved and eventually join the group, perhaps even become a maintainer.

Speaking as a project maintainer that is starting to see some traction: I'd love to see people coming with PRs for features. It would mean a big amount of validation.


Having tried to improve things on multiple projects and being ignored or got hostile responses I gave up on open source contribution.

I bought a Mac and use Lightroom and I’m happy to give them both my money.


There are loads of friendly and welcoming OpenSource communities.

I'm sorry you did not stumble into them, but instead in the few hostile ones. It's a pity that made you give up.

A general tip, I give to people wishing to contribute to OSS is to first watch from the sideline. Read issues, threads, subscribe to an ML etc. Then to ask. Don't just throw in PR or feature request, but ask: is this welcome? How do you work? Any particular details that you wish me to pay extra attention to (tabs, spaces, tests, documentation, design).

As a FLOSS maintainer myself, it can be very intimidating to have someone throw a PR at you that rewrites everything (it comes across as: you suck, your software sucks, but watch me fix all that), or that disregards things that I deem critical (tests, architecture) It is really hard to review it, without coming across as an arrogant bastard. And often software that I put on a back burner will require me significant effort to get back into. So merging a simple typo fix or dependency update might cost half a day, just to get the dev env back up.


I certainly wasn't arrogant with the last one.

Hey dudes, there's a pointer dereferencing crash here which occurs when I do X, Y then Z. Added one line change to fix it. SILENCE.

There are no test cases for most projects either.




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