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> It was pretty normal to come out of freshman year engineering, CS, or chemistry with a sub-2.75 GPA

Was it normal, or was that just what you and your friend group experienced? Is there any hard data?

I find it hard to believe that a 2.75 GPA would be anything but the bottom 10% or less of students.




Fair question, there are a few things at play.

Some Googling tells me the average final GPA for an engineer there is between 3.3 and 3.4, meaning a lot of people are going to graduate with much lower grades than that. I eventually graduated with a 3.5, but I was below 3 for quite some time. I had two Cs, a fair amount of low As, and a lot of Bs.

What tended to happen was that your GPA increases throughout your time in undergrad because:

* classes are easier later in the major, or they seem easier because you're more directly interested in the content and your classes up to this point have built up the base knowledge, rather than being the freshman year survey of "all the hardest but largely unrelated science classes all at once"

* your study skills improve

This doesn't really excuse how the students are treated in my opinion, both by the professors and generally how the system was set up. Obviously hard things are hard, but there were many, many brilliant students in a very dark place because the school just throws them in the deep end and says "fuck you".

Something like MIT's first semester being pass/fail only could have gone a long way.

Also we were on the quarter system, and engineers needed an absurd 48 classes to graduate, which is a full 4-class schedule every quarter without a single drop or failure in order to graduate on time.

These classes are the same content as full-semester classes at other schools, but crammed into 10 weeks to fit the quarter system.

My school seemed to revel in how hard it was, kids and professors would constantly disparage other top schools saying they were practicing grade inflation. To what degree that is true, who knows. Anytime you go to a top-but-not-Ivy-league school, people are going to talk about oh why our school is actually more legit, etc, whatever. Seemed like half jealousy and half Stockholm syndrome to me.


This was my experience as well at a small engineering school.


My department's policy was a 3.2 curve. So half the students in every class got B+ or worse. 2.75 is a B-, most classes had at least 30% at or below there.




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