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It always comes back to whataboutism with you people, doesn't it? As if the previous actions of western countries justifies the top down strategy of ethnic cleansing, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure, the torture, rape, and murder of civilians that Russian government is pursuing RIGHT NOW and has pursued in every conflict it's been involved in. This is a deliberate strategy that no western nation uses, there is no comparison to be drawn, and trying to pretend otherwise is defending the indefensible.



> with you people...

Oh?

Its just that we would like for those with very little knowledge of their own governments war crimes to pipe down a little with the...

targeting of civilian infrastructure, the torture, rape, and murder of civilians that Russian government is pursuing RIGHT NOW and has pursued... Narrative.

It comes across as dishonest at best.

Who do you mean by western nations? Which western nation has been at war in the last 50 years? I have a premonition that whatever "western nation" you are talking about is probably not part of the ICC because they do not want to be charged with war crimes...just a wild guess.

So please save your feigned indignation.


Western whataboutism is a really underexplored phenomenon.

Why do they always do diminish struggle of people and nations outside of West?

It's like they're always saying "nah everybody hurts, you're not going through anything special, let's talk about us instead".


Yeah I've never seen whataboutism about whataboutism, you truly are plumbing new depths of war crime denial.


I do not see war crime denial in their post. More like war crime acknowledgement. I think that it is you who is undermining the struggles of people attacked by US interests.


Western countries don’t do these things directly (with some notable exceptions like Abu Ghraib). But they will arm, fund, and support proxies knowing they will commit atrocities. Is Saudi Arabia’s brutal US-funded war in Yemen any different morally from what Russia is doing in Ukraine? Is SA’s government any less despotic than Russia’s?

For me personally, this has nothing to do with whataboutism. I just want my country’s actions to reflect its stated principles. Partly because I don’t want my taxes supporting oppression and genocide, and partly because I want us to be seen as credible by the rest of the world when we condemn abuses by Russia, China, or any other country.


It's not whataboutism; it's "With what measure thou metest, it shall be measured unto thee again." It's the Golden Rule, a basic moral tenet.




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