People being less hateful in general would be preferable, but immutable characteristics seem to be an obvious brightline.
But you're right that stuff like r/fatpeoplehate shouldn't really be on the site either, the hate is absolutely noxious and it's all the worse because it's "acceptable" and "not an immutable characteristic". And the "quarantine zone" strategy absolutely does not work, it just festers and metastasizes to the rest of the site.
Nothing is stopping you from making your own social-media site where you're allowed to say the N-word all you want, it's happened numerous times over Reddit's history when they crack down on one of the various hate forums that sprung up over the years.
Nothing is stopping you from getting real mad about brands of cars, or computer parts, either. I don't know why some people are so willing to die on this hill, like, is it really such a sacrifice for you to not debate the existence and rights of minorities (sexual or otherwise)? Again, that may feel like oppression after coming from a position of supremacy, but it's not.
Sexual minorities are only the latest in a long line of targets. In the 80s and 90s it was satanic panic, then drugs and black people, immigrant "caravans" and other ways to weaponize bigotry and otherism. It's a consistent theme, and it's powerful.
It doesn't matter if it's sexual minorities, or race, or anything else. There is no class of people whose existence and rights you should be debating, period, and the framing that it's acceptable to debate sexual minorities because at least it isn't racial minorities isn't valid, full stop. That's an antisocial mindset and you're gonna get shunned (or isolated to clusters of like-minded individuals) until you stop.
Maybe that's a tough perspective for the engineer mindset but it's how the world works... people don't like their existence being a topic of debate, and people don't want it on their platforms or in their social circle.
It all goes back to what the twitter guy said - stop being a fucking dramabomb constantly and you won't be "censored". Being an asshole is a great reason to be shunned, or canceled, or whatever the shun-ee's are calling it now.
> There is no class of people whose existence and rights you should be debating, period,
I think this is a strawman. On the right, generally speaking, the existence and rights of sexual minorities are generally recognized. The big thing these days is whether or not young children should be taught about the existence, activities, or their possible membership in those minorities.
Yes, people being dicks online exist, but everyone should remember that the internet is a dramatization of real (or fictional) events, not a true and accurate representation of even a plurality of people.
A great example is the recent bill in Florida that we all know about. The left got upset because of how the loud voices mischaracterized it. The right got upset because parents' worst nightmares started condemning the bill.
But you're right that stuff like r/fatpeoplehate shouldn't really be on the site either, the hate is absolutely noxious and it's all the worse because it's "acceptable" and "not an immutable characteristic". And the "quarantine zone" strategy absolutely does not work, it just festers and metastasizes to the rest of the site.
Nothing is stopping you from making your own social-media site where you're allowed to say the N-word all you want, it's happened numerous times over Reddit's history when they crack down on one of the various hate forums that sprung up over the years.
Nothing is stopping you from getting real mad about brands of cars, or computer parts, either. I don't know why some people are so willing to die on this hill, like, is it really such a sacrifice for you to not debate the existence and rights of minorities (sexual or otherwise)? Again, that may feel like oppression after coming from a position of supremacy, but it's not.
Sexual minorities are only the latest in a long line of targets. In the 80s and 90s it was satanic panic, then drugs and black people, immigrant "caravans" and other ways to weaponize bigotry and otherism. It's a consistent theme, and it's powerful.
It doesn't matter if it's sexual minorities, or race, or anything else. There is no class of people whose existence and rights you should be debating, period, and the framing that it's acceptable to debate sexual minorities because at least it isn't racial minorities isn't valid, full stop. That's an antisocial mindset and you're gonna get shunned (or isolated to clusters of like-minded individuals) until you stop.
Maybe that's a tough perspective for the engineer mindset but it's how the world works... people don't like their existence being a topic of debate, and people don't want it on their platforms or in their social circle.
It all goes back to what the twitter guy said - stop being a fucking dramabomb constantly and you won't be "censored". Being an asshole is a great reason to be shunned, or canceled, or whatever the shun-ee's are calling it now.