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I hate to be that guy, but the only reliable way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is to drastically reduce emissions. Switching to biofuel doesn't fix climate change because biofuel is still terrible. Switching to electric cars doesn't fix climate change because electric power is still terrible (not to mention all the damage from lithium mining, manufacturing and battery replacements).

The only solution is to make neighborhoods more walkable, reduce the need for frequent travel through mixed use zoning and invest in public transit (trains and trams, buses if you can't avoid road traffic completely) so more travel happens in high density vehicles rather than cars.

But that basically means public spending for public services rather than having companies sell more products to consumers and that's just too much like communism to be a legitimate answer because you don't want people to reconsider whether some aspects of socialism might actually be good.

EDIT: Since HN won't let me reply, I'll just pre-empt any further replies by pointing out that the problem with "solutions" like renewables, carbon capture and electric vehicles is that while they sound great in a spreadsheet they ignore externalities, overhead and scale: yes, if we could wave a magic wand and convert all existing cars into electric and backfill the increases energy demand by turning all the now unused infrastructure into wind mills and solar panels and somehow fix the energy storage problem, the situation would undeniably be better than it is now. But that's not how we get there and even that situation would be unsustainable as long as we follow a growth mindset and promote individual transportation as a consumer product rather than addressing infrastructure as a social issue.

I don't think HN is ready to acknowledge that the biggest carbon emission savings in the US don't come from carbon capture tech magic but from offloading the more emission heavy parts of the production chain behind the curtain into third world countries that don't end up on the spreadsheet. We're not going to solve climate change by stuffing all our toys into the broom closet with hopes that the regulators can't see the mess we made. We need to actually clean up the mess and stop adding to it. We can't fix a resource problem by continuing to expend an increasing amount of resources. It's called "reduce, reuse, recycle" because those are the things you can do in decreasing order of effectiveness. Carbon capture is just recycling. Going electric is not even that.




Spot on.

By reducing the size and weight of the cars we use gives more than relying on magic new innovations. We use 2000kg cars to drive around a < 100kg person.

If we with the snap of a finger replaced all the coal and oil and gas we use with wind and solar power plants I'm not convinced that would be much better. Not maybe worse, but not better.

Wind mills everywhere, solar plants covering huge areas of land and a lot of metals and energy needed to construct all that. It just moves the problem around.

A small gasoline/diesel car is better than a big electric car. Or why not a small electric car such as this Citroen Ami or Zbee from Clean Motion:

https://www.citroen.fr/ami Or https://cleanmotion.se

Saving and reducing quickly now gives more than hoping for the new fancy technology being in place in 10, 20 or 3 years from now.


Modern safety requirements on vehicle essentially put a lower bound on vehicle weight. There are requirements both for the passengers of the vehicle and pedestrians.

For example, you can't even make a car without a rear view camera now and sell it in the US. Why? Is looking out the back window really that challenging?


Why? Is looking out the back window really that challenging?

Apparently, otherwise children wouldn't keep getting run over and we wouldn't need backup cameras.


This doesn't make sense. More and more electric is being generated renewably. It's not some far fetched pie in the sky thing either - I fully charge my car using solar cells on the top of my roof. My daily driving is carbon neutral.

Lithium mining isn't great for the environment, but it's certainly much less of a problem than co2 emmisions.


It takes about four years for your solar panels to pay back the co2 used to produce them.

And the co2 eeded to produce your car's batteries I do not know, but probably several years for that too.

So I doubt your daily driving is carbon neutral just yet.


Four years is a pretty short amount of time.


> Lithium mining isn't great for the environment, but it's certainly much less of a problem than CO2 emissions.

Was it measured?


I've seen thousands of papers regarding extreme climate change from CO2 emissions. I've seen nothing that indicates lithium mining does anything but local damage. Do you have evidence to the contrary?


The problem with this kind of comment is that it's hard to know what direction you are travelling.

If you used to deny climate change was happening, then denied it was a problem, then denied it was human caused, then denied that there was any alternative and so on, then your opinion now is still some kind of progress towards objective reality.

If on the other hand, you started with the consensus reality of qualified scientists and have now regressed into this opinion which seems just like negative energy directed at necessary change then that's a bad thing.

The former seems more likely though, or maybe that's just the optimist in me.




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