>Vaccines cut down the hospitalization and death rate 20 to 60-fold.
Yes, for very specific groups of people. For the majority though it did practically nothing which makes forced vaccination of that majority immoral and illegal.
>They reduce transmission by a substantial amount.
No. As the numbers and the link I provided show.
>literally avoided tens of millions of deaths?
Forced vaccination of the very low risk majority has nothing to do with it. Even more - if those wasted vaccine doses were instead used to vaccinate high-risk people in poor countries then even more lives would have been saved.
> Yes, for very specific groups of people. For the majority though it did practically nothing which makes forced vaccination of that majority immoral and illegal.
You're discounting the effects of long-covid. You discount the health burden of millions of people catching this disease at the same time. You discount the long-term effects and the fact that a substantial amount of the healthy population has symptoms 3 and 6 months after catching the disease. You discount that perfectly healthy young people have died. You discount the effects on the workforce and the rates of permanently disabled. You discount the hospital burden and the fact that saturated hospitales mean triaging and people dying of easily treatable causes.
> Forced vaccination of the very low risk majority has nothing to do with it.
You don't have a right to not be vaccinated to participate in society. Your profound ignorance on this as if the standard vaccination schedule for children doesn't have dozens of vaccines necessary to reach the modern standards of quality of life means you have nothing to add to this.
Your arguments are just one ridiculous, ignorance-ridden point after another.
It's a good thing that the people making most of these decisions, unlike you, have century-years of experience on these topics and have assessed the health burden on the population.
And most of us consider that a disease that's the 3rd to 4th highest cause of death, even at this point in the pandemic, is worth treating with extreme measures, lest we lose half a decade of life expectancy, not even getting into the effects for the survivors.
>You're discounting the effects of long-covid. ... You discount the hospital burden and the fact that saturated hospitales mean triaging and people dying of easily treatable causes.
vaccinating low risk people has no effect on all of this. The close to 0 risk of hospitalization becoming 20 times closer to 0 doesn't affect the total hospitalization numbers, at best it is a noise.
> if the standard vaccination schedule for children doesn't have dozens of vaccines
i have said nothing about the well proven working vaccines. You're advancing anti-vax movement position by mixing together the working vaccines with the zero effect for the most people covid vaccines.
>century-years of experience on these topics
the covid is 2 years old. The mRNA covid vaccines is even less than that.
> is worth treating with extreme measures
wasting resources on the measures that don't work makes things naturally worse.
Yes, for very specific groups of people. For the majority though it did practically nothing which makes forced vaccination of that majority immoral and illegal.
>They reduce transmission by a substantial amount.
No. As the numbers and the link I provided show.
>literally avoided tens of millions of deaths?
Forced vaccination of the very low risk majority has nothing to do with it. Even more - if those wasted vaccine doses were instead used to vaccinate high-risk people in poor countries then even more lives would have been saved.