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>I'm amazed that these things are kept to quiet until they make a big public splash, absolutely no chat/rumours about this locally despite it being found 11 months ago.

Sadly theft is a big problem everywhere, be it antiquities or fossils. Far less so in countries like Britain because it's wealthy and dense enough that it's not rampant like in some other countries (Mongolia comes to mind for fossils), but I'm certain the researchers would still rather take precautions, if only to keep away reckless tourists.




Is it theft? Who owns such a fossil can be complicated. Sometimes it might belong to whoever pulls it out of the ground first, depending on where it is. In somewhere as ancient as Britain, you will need legal advice before deciding who if anyone owns such an object.


Britain happens to be quite special on that subject and has a positive approach to things like detectorism. But I doubt it has anything to do with how « ancient » it is (it's not anymore ancient than anywhere in Eurasia), rather it's a property of a quirky legal system. Try to pull anything like that out of the ground in my country (France), and you're both unequivocally a thief and a vandal.


Ancient as in thousands of years of laws, layers that you have to wade through to figure out who owns what underground.


It's not that complicated in the UK. In the vast majority of cases it's either Treasure[0] (which has a special procedure: report it to the local coroner to deal with) or it belongs to the landowner (unless you have an agreement with them otherwise).

There are some corner cases, but you're not going to accidentally find an oil deposit so most of them just won't apply. Detectorists will normally arrange a 50/50 split with the landowner, I understand.

[0]: https://finds.org.uk/treasure/advice/summary


I don't think that applies in Scotland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Act_1996

https://treasuretrovescotland.co.uk/

The Treasure Trove Unit at NMS have delegated authority from the Queen’s and Lord Treasurer’s Remembrancer (QLTR) which is the Scots legal institution with, I think, the coolest name.


Huh. TIL! I knew Scotland doesn't have a coronial system, but I assumed given the relatively recent reforms to treasure in E&W similar rules would have been brought in UK-wide and cases would just go to the local Sheriff.

Looking at the Scottish Treasure Trove website Scots law does look more sensible than the old English position, so I suppose they just decided not to interfere.


One of my hobbies is scanning comments on HN and when someone mentions something about a "UK" legal or education matter jumping in and adding a "Not in Scotland" comment - I really should automate the process ;-)


I'm normally quite good at claiming England & Wales only, but you definitely get a point for this one :-)


Fossils are not artifacts, they weren't dropped or cached by anyone. They have never been anyone's property. They are "natural". The rules are therefore different, more akin to someone picking mushrooms than someone finding a lost gold ring. When something has never had a human owner, gaining first possession can really matter.


Fungi, flowers, fruit, and foliage (growing wild, not cultivated) are one of the corner cases - they're specifically carved out by s.4(3) of the Theft Act 1968. There are a few others, as I said: mineral rights, wild and semi-wild animals, etc. But otherwise it's not generally complicated (at least in England and Wales).

Now, you have a good case that the natural things shouldn't belong to the landowner. But English law has chosen not to agree with you (unsurprisingly given the strength of the landed interest over British history). First possession is not the rule here, it's the ownership of the land it's found on that matters.




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