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Nothing is impossible. However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. Try to use their watches without an iPhone.



> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape.

An obviously false statement.

> Try to use their watches without an iPhone.

Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work.

Anyone who buys one thinking otherwise has been misinformed by someone other than Apple, and can return it to the store for a full refund. Then they can buy one of many Android wear or other smartwatches instead.


>> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape.

>An obviously false statement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#Accusa...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform#Aspects

> Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work.

Not in their video ads. Also, at https://www.apple.com/watch/ it's buried at the end of the tiny font.


Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn’t mean ‘everyone agrees with it. You can’t seriously believe this.

Are you really trying to claim people are buying Apple watches they can’t use because they don’t have an iPhone?

That doesn’t seem grounded in reality.


Wikipedia is not a source. It's a list of reliable sources. Feel free to read the carefully provided links.


Not one of those sources represents something ‘everyone agrees’ with. You know this.


From my second link: "Apple iOS and other mobile devices, which are restricted to running pre-approved applications from a digital distribution service." If you find The Guardian and Time references unsatisfactory, consider this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587191.

I really don't understand why you are so much defending Apple.


I’m not defending Apple. I’m rebutting the ridiculous idea that what is printed in the Guardian is what ‘everybody agrees’.


I did not suggest that an article in Guardian means everybody agrees with that. In this case, Apple themselves agree that the iOS platform is closed for many things.


Yes you did. You posted it as evidence of this statement you made:

>> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape.

Apple agrees it’s closed in some ways. Far from ‘everyone’ thinks it’s hard to escape.


In my opinion, everybody who doesn't think it's hard to escape did not research Apple well enough. I showed you (some) evidence that it's a closed ecosystem. You could show me something suggesting it's not, if you are so sure.


> In my opinion…

This is more honest. It’s just your opinion. Not something ‘everyone agrees’ with.

You are entitled to your opinion. But its a delusion when you think everyone must believe what you do.


You still did not answer why you have a different opinion.


So what? I don’t owe you anything. I’m simply pointing out that you don’t speak for everyone.


Never do you. Apple confirming user restriction should be enough evidence for everyone to understand that their system is a closed ecosystem.


Nobody said it’s not closed.

You claimed everyone agrees it’s hard to leave. That’s simply false.




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