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Meanwhile, Belgium has a thriving terrorist community.



You keep making this point across the thread about actual harm being invoked. The tools available to governments today should be sufficient to stop a number of crimes. Yet time and time again we see that increased surveillance doesn't really correlate to the elimination of crime.

Why not push this energy into making your government agencies more efficient with what resources they have? The UK has tons of CC TVs in public -- still seems to have a high issue with shoplifting, pickpocketing, and other crime in public places.

Doesn't it alarm you to keep giving an inefficient potentially malicious actor more tools it can abuse?


CC TVs are taken down.

When a 15 years old dealer does not take it down on his own:

https://www.letelegramme.fr/bretagne/a-vannes-le-dealer-de-1...

Then it's the mafia taking them all down:

https://www.leparisien.fr/seine-et-marne-77/chelles-77500/ch...

But it's actually pretty common:

https://twitter.com/alliancepolice/status/145008668020403814...

https://www.lyonmag.com/article/118297/bron-ils-scient-le-ma...

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/dijon-i...

But that's fine because they are "defending our privacy" ?

Or, do you want to try to make another suggestion ?

Meanwhile, criminality is thriving and we are powerless against it. Maybe we should try planting more trees and developing more socio cultural activities ?

Anyway, shouldn't you be against CCTVs because "if the state can see them streams then it means a hacker can see them too" ? I mean, I think that's the whole point being made here against this bill.


The problem with banning encryption or e2e encryption is that it doesn’t solve anything. Criminals/terrorists will move to a chat app/service that offers e2e encryption no matter if it’s legal or not. It just means that the major players such as facebook, microsoft, google, apple etc can’t offer it so the only one left hanging is the law abiding masses.


But there is never going to be a silver bullet, it's always going to be a cat and mouse chase, does that mean we should quit playing at all?


There's no 'we' here.


Maybe that's the problem.




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