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> Let's make this virus extinct.

Here's the core problem - unrealistic expectations. Even the CDC has backed off from the whole "make the virus extinct" mantra; they haven't spouted it for over a year now. Which is a good thing - it was utterly ridiculous from day one.

This virus isn't going away. It is carried by animals. You going to vaccinate every animal that we all come in contact with? Ha! You are not going to shelter in place or vaccinate away this virus. We had better figure out how to coexist with it in a rational and reasonable manner.

The good news with the Omicron variant there are no reported hospitalizations in South Africa. So it's more virulent, but less bad. Here is the perfect path to herd immunity - a variant that people can get a mild infection from and have stronger natural immunity to than the vax would give, as well as broader protection to variants. Actually any protection to variants would be an improvement over the current vax - there has be zero confirmation from the CDC or vax makers that the vax provides any protection against Delta, let alone Omicron. All they make are vague promises about it reducing the reaction. Big deal! If the reporting by South African doctors is correct and Omicron is as mild as they have seen then what exactly is the vax doing? Nothing - except exposing you needlessly to potential side effects.

BTW that Omicron is more virulent but less bad is totally unsurprising to anyone familiar with viruses and who wasn't politically motivated or shamed to pushing the ridiculous narratives around COVID right now; this is totally expected behavior as viruses mature in the wild and was predicted by many virologists last year. Virologists who were then quickly derided as quacks, truthers and worse since they dared to challenge the widely accepted groupthink. Same crap that happened with the lab leak, changing stances on masks, ignoring of massive spike in reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and more - hot takes that turned out to be VERY wrong later but amazingly the corrections never get the same amount of publicity as the initial propaganda.



> no reported hospitalisations

There are lots of hospitalisations, they are ramping up drastically. See SA regional hospital data.

> totally unsurprising to anyone familiar with viruses

Actually no human virus has ever evolved through selection pressure to become less virulent. This is just a (convenient to the deniers) myth.

Lab leak is just as fanciful as it has ever been, masking advice was updated as soon as we knew better, vaccines have been proven very safe.

I am going to accept that you are commenting in good faith. I would ask you to consider your sources, your influences, and the ever rising toll of sickness and death caused not least by the kind of misinformation you are propagating.


Hospitalizations with Omicron? Yes, I could have been more precise. If you have actually stats on Omicron hospitalizations, then please share. The more information the better.

Here's an actual doctor in South Africa reporting the opposite of what you are claiming: https://twitter.com/KoenSwinkels/status/1465906474270531589/...

Traditional vaccines have been proven to be very safe, mRNA vaccines are entirely different technology that has been in development for over 40 years and not deployed - widely or otherwise - until now. If mRNA vaccines make so much sense than why have none been brought through clinical trials before this "crises"? If it's so safe then why is the approved vaccine nowhere to be found, but all vaccine being pushed still the vax that is only under the EUA? Why did the FDA violate their own protocol and not revoke the EUA as soon as the approved vaccine was approved?

As for misinformation, sickness and death - have you looked at the dramatic spike in reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)?

Since you are so keen on stamping out misinformation - do you think people who already had COVID should still be forced to be vaccinated? If so, under what rational?

Since you want to talk sickness, who's going to apologize to this mom for advocating a perfectly healthy 14 year old get the vaccine when the possibilities of him having a major reaction to COVID are infinitesimal - yet now he will likely face heart problems for the next decade if not the rest of his life: https://imgur.com/a/NeonlLV

Who's going to apologize to all the families for family members killed by secondary effects to the sustained overreaction to COVID in the face of much better information? Sweden would like to enter the chat.

Just curious since you are basically insulting *I'm* causing sickness and death, since it's becoming more and more apparent vax apologists such as yourself are the real ones causing more problems than you are solving.


> Lab leak is just as fanciful as it has ever been

Could you please recommend me more reading material on that particular point? Thank you.


> there has be zero confirmation from the CDC or vax makers that the vax provides any protection against Delta

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

For the next secondary analysis, aORs for hospitalizations that occurred before and during SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant predominance (June–September 2021) were compared, beginning on the date the Delta variant accounted for >50% of sequenced isolates in each medical facility’s state (2).

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In this multistate analysis of hospitalizations for COVID-19–like illness among adults aged ≥18 years during January–September 2021 whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 were higher among unvaccinated and previously infected patients than among those who were fully vaccinated with 2 doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine without previous documentation of a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Secondary analyses that did not adjust for time since infection or vaccination or adjusted time since infection or vaccination differently as well as before and during Delta variant predominance produced similar results.

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In this U.S.-based epidemiologic analysis of patients hospitalized with COVID-19–like illness whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, vaccine-induced immunity was more protective than infection-induced immunity against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, including during a period of Delta variant predominance.


> So it's more virulent, but less bad

I think you mean more transmissible, less virulent.


Yes, I couldn't pin down the exact terms - thanks.




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