Sorry to hear that MrDresden. I hope your partner's care is successful going forward and it can be expedited as a high priority case.

Thank you. We are hoping that as well, everyday.

With the recent evidence of spiking infections and other events, I am no longer convinced vaccines are a good measure. The Netherlands is 85% vaccinated. They said we would get herd immunity at only 70%, and yet here we are with talks of "boosters", at the brink of yet another lockdown, due to yet another spike in infections. I think we need to simply get sick at large, get better and stay immune. We need to get it over with. Yes, some will die. People are mortal. Can we get over it and end this madness? It's nature. You are not going to win against it.

Let's get mass sick. It will suck for, what, 2 months at most? And then the strong have survived and we can get back to normal. Covid is inevitable. Let's face it.

Or you can get the same result from vaccines, without having to kill a few %.

So far I have gotten sicker from my vaccines than the coronavirus. I am NOT going to get boosters, fuck that. I'm not going to get revaccinated every once in a while. Sorry, humanity can deal with it. Vaccines don't work well enough, clearly.

I did everything right. I got vaccinated. I isolated. I endured lockdown. I did not go out frivolously. I wore masks when I needed to go out anyway. What could I have done differently? This whole thing, it's just not working. I want freedom back.

The plural of anecdote is not data. I am sorry for your negative reaction, but in aggregate the vaccines are much better than catching covid. "This whole thing is not working" because of the 30% odd who prefer not to do their part and walk around as potential virus factories.

I literally don't care. I want freedom back. I'm done with this whole thing. Also, you meant 15% since we (I at least, see GP) was talking about the Netherlands.

This is what democracy looks like. 15% does not want it. The country should form itself to support that, to support what the people want.

I got my vaccines, we'll see how well they protect me if (when) I get sick. Shit happens.

I see.

Well if you are going to be the steriotypical self centered prick of a person that I'd expect those who think like that to be, then do me and everyone else who needs a working healthcare system a favor;

If and when you become ill from the virus, stay at home. Don't call the emergency services nor go to a clinic/hospital.

You don't deserve their services if you are, as you describe, going to be playing a game of roulette with other people's health as the stakes.

If you have that shit happen to you, then own it. You made that bed for your self.

Do you also say this to people who couldn't put down the bottle or the 5th piece of pie in a row and cost us shit ton of money in healthcare?

Do you also say this about criminals who get sick in prison, that they shouldn't get healthcare because of their crime? Not that those who don't want to get vaccinated are criminals, far, far from it. But you get the point.

No, I have no clue what point it is you are trying to make.

What I mean is we shouldn't refuse to treat people with covid or whatever else simply because we disagree with their actions or their choices.

That's like saying we shouldn't perform first-aid rescue on someone who had an accident after they crossed red light and they endangered themselves and others. That's fucked up.

If you do not see the difference between somebody requiring immediate first-aid due to a car crash and somebody that willingly is not going to vaccinate, wear facial masks and keep his distance from others because that party wants freedom back then I can't help you.

Nice, holding me accountable for a virus. Sickness is not my responsibility. It just happens. I'm not going to rant on someone who infected me with a super easily spreadable disease, such as the yearly flu, and now the yearly covid. that would be insane. It's just nature, man, calm down. And of course the sick do deserve care.

You are being irrational about this.

On the countrary, I'm being very rational about this.

Social healthcare (at least where I am from) is created and paid for by society as a whole. It is provided to all given we follow the set rules. Which have been that we pay our fair due to run it.

Now we have extra rules ontop of that to help keep the healthcare system from buckling under the enormous strain it is experiencing.

And you are deciding that you will personally not follow those rules, and potentially help spread both a disease that might directly kill someone, or keep a person from being able to seek medical aid due to the strain this disease places on the system as a whole.

Which to me clearly invalidates any privilages you might thing you are entitled to from the social system.

no thank you. you let your body be ravaged by an exotic viral disease from asian bats. I will take my booster

Would it be less bad if the virus was bred on Dutch grounds by another animal? Otherwise I am not sure what your are implying or why you bring it up.

What if the virus was man-made from a lab? Big Pharma, the ones who have the most to gain from selling vaccines, are also the ones most capable of genetically engineering modified viruses. This is just a thought that I've had in the back of my head, and I'm not saying that this is the case, since the ethical implications of this would be severe. But I do often hear in media that tech companies prioritize profits over people...