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My M1 Max Pro from announcement day arrived last week. A month early from initial estimates.

Shenzhen to Kentucky to west coast. No problem from my perspective.




I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking.

For a premium product, I would expect them to be focussing on the "Designed by Americans in America" bit of the message rather than the "Made in China".


That's such a....weird? approach. Nationalistic almost.

Chinese companies can make absolutely top quality stuff and my view on this has changed many years ago. I now own a Volvo built in Chengdou, China, and it's literally the most well build vehicle I ever owned, definitely better than any German car I've had(my previous Merc built in Germany creaked like a horse cart, this doesn't even make a peep from anywhere).


A lot of folks say the Chinese made Model 3s don’t have a the perennial panel gap and random quality issues the American made ones do.

China are the boss of manufacturing these days.


It’s odd — but I’ve noticed that among premium menswear brands (at least premium to me) like Taylor Stitch, Relwen, etc, made in China is now a mark of quality — because the factories in Vietnam and Bangladesh can whip stuff out, but they can’t do more complex quality finishes (think gussets, fully bound interior zipper taping, welting, quilt through stitching, etc).

Random. But curious to see if this will become more common (or remain relegated to specialized, small brands)

https://relwen.com/pages/hallmarks For reference.


Its not their choice they use UPS for shipping which would tell you where the package is.

Also, on the back of my iPad Pro 12.9 2021 it says "Designed by Apple in California Manufactured in China". Apple doesn't hide this point at all.

The Mac Pro though is Manufactured in Texas domestically and outside of the US it is manufactured in China.


You can't find that on the website in the product specs. It's only when you actually buy the product and physically inspect the labels. I know few people who thought they make it in California and were shocked it's actually made in China.


Would people be surprised? I think foxconn factory conditions which manufacturer apple products have been on the public conscious for several years.


They do say that about design because that isn't the same word as "made/manufactured" :)

The whole game is to play every country's people and their political instrument. From my perspective, it is easier the more nationalist they are, and both China and the US have very nationalist people. So stamp "made in china" on anything printed on paper, as required there, and stamp "designed in california" on things engraved in metal and then overcharge for it because Americans already suspect something domestic would be more expensive.


"I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking."

You are surprised they don't engage in (possibly fraudulent) deception of their customer? Should they?


Well I would expect it to just say:. "Current location:. Manufacturing site"


I’m confused - are you suggesting Apple somehow hide the fact that their products are made in China? Where else would the tracking indicate stops?


https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/

It does not anywhere say it is made in China. Yes Apple is hiding this.


The only thing said about he manufacture is "it's green". It does at least not misrepresent the location of manufacturing.

These days, I would expect most consumers to assume "tech is made in China/Taiwan/Korea/Japan" unless explicitly stated otherwise.


Neither does the Microsoft store for a surface? https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/d/surface-pro-7/8n17j0m5zzqs... (Unless I’m missing it on mobile)


Companies look what Apple can get away with and copy.


there is no requirement to put it on websites. there is a chinese requirement to put it on paper printed in china for export.

are you ironically elevating Chinese rule of law over others while thinking its helping your American nationalist sentiment? wow, we have to go deeper


I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking.

Why? The reality is that Apple is reselling a Foxconn product made in Shenzhen.


“Reselling a Foxconn product” is about as stupid as saying Foxconn is reselling a Rio Tinto product.


(Amusingly, the standard Apple comment pattern appears. About 30 minutes after criticism, the comment is voted down. Over the next day or so, it will probably go up a bit. This is consistent enough to be worth examining.)




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