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In Portland OR, the longshoreman's union (ILWU) organized a slowdown at the port. Things ended with the only customer of the port pulling out because they were losing money on parked ships. The port shut down completely, but the operator of the port managed to successfully sue the union for over $90 million dollars in damages.

Here's the kicker, they were sued for unlawful labor practices.

The entire slowdown was organized over two jobs. That they wanted taken away from the electrician's union.

There are other such stories you can find about dealing with the ILWU. They regularly attack other workers and unions. They even pulled out of the AFL-CIO so they could be free to beef over turf with its' members.

Don't buy into any of their media BS - they are not a union, they are a racket.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-11-29/longshore-...



This is history all over: the pendulum ends up swinging too far and it has to correct.

Unions came about to bring about workers rights in the industrial revolution to correct terrible working conditions. This is something that needed to happen.

Fast forward to the 1970s and the problems weren't anywhere near as severe. But power not used is power lost. If your members begin to view you as unnecessary, it's an existential threat to not only the union but those who had built their careers (political and otherwise) on the backs of that. So what happens? Any remote sleight is blown out of proportion to create controversy and fan the flames of fear among members.

In the US this dovetailed into the Reagan years. Americans had started to view unions as unnecessary and corrupt and union membership and power waned.

It also didn't help that there have been many ties between unions and organized crime.

Your story about the Portland ports comes as no surprise to me. There are countless stories like this and the "go to" defense used in making a mountain out of a mole hill is the slippery slope fallacy ("well if this electrician can be fired for coming to work drunk and killing two people then you'll be next").

It should come as no surprise that worker wages in real terms stagnated from 1980 until now.

What I hope is that the pandemic is a catalyst for this pendulum to start swinging back. I think we've had enough of Reagonomics (trickle-down economics anyone?).


The book The Box explains that the ILWU, which represents West Coast dock workers, handled containerization much better than its East Coast counterpart. The ILWU was more flexible and proactive, partnering with ports for the upgrades that would in time substantially reduce labor requirements, but saving and prolonging many more jobs than if they had been as intransigent as East Coast workers.

It really comes down to leadership. The ILWU had great leadership that was able to manage relationships better. It's difficult to find that kind of leadership today, especially because people are so quick to cry "corruption" when a leader does anything except be a zealous, loud, and inflexible advocate for their group. (And when they inevitably fail, that's "corruption", too.) Compromise is a dirty word, and no one can maintain the necessary reputational capital amidst relentless character assassinations on social media.


Another vote for "The Box". That book was so eye opening and touches on standards, globalization, efficiency, and stevedore unions. You can even read about an early instance of a submarine patent.


Add another vote here. Are shipping containers in the top ten list of innovations for the 20th century? My vote is yes.


> they are not a union, they are a racket.

The core leverage of a union is a mafia-style "wouldn't it be a shame if your business burned down?". How are you drawing the line between union and racket? Is there something more nuanced than what you find socially acceptable?


In civilized societies, like the ones across the Atlantic, labor representatives work cooperatively with management in non adversarial manner because children aren't indoctrinated into thinking they're the star of there own Hollywood film


> In civilized societies, like the ones across the Atlantic, labor representatives work cooperatively with management in non adversarial manner because children aren't indoctrinated into thinking they're the star of there own Hollywood film

Yeah right. The unions in Europe have always been more violent and dangerous than the ones in the US. The French labor unions would like a word with you about being civilized (they're anything but).

And which societies would those be? The forever dictatorships in Eastern Europe? The regressive monarchies all over Western Europe? Look up how many constitutions the French have had, because they can't get anything right. Most of Europe was a backwards, primitive disaster until the last 40-50 years. Mass genocide, tens of millions butchered in wars, millions cast into slavery in North and South America, monarchy, dictatorship, totalitarianism, Communism, Socialism, Colonialism. Oh yes, those glorious enlightened Europeans, we have so much to learn from their ... wisdom. Europe largely are constitutional and democratic infants compared to the US, crawling from behind by more than a century. It'll take a miracle for Europe to not be back to killing itself before another few decades is up. The sole reason they didn't spend the post WW2 era slaughtering each other is thanks to the US occupation of Europe, which prevented war with Russia and largely kept the major powers from being allowed to attack other weaker nations.


You're likely to be flagged and have a dead comment soon, but I want to let you know I appreciate this harsh (but honest) take. I find it endlessly fascinating how much "young buck" brow-beating the US gets from Europe (and so too their respective citizens and representatives), in both political/media rhetoric and in interpersonal fora like this. As a proud and naturalized US Citizen myself, thanks for standing up for me.


US history before the last 50 years was rather a shitshow with regards to human rights, uprisings, and state violence itself! So let's not pretend it's any more civlizied than the countries that its founders came from.

In many ways it ended up less civilized than its northern neighbor, which seems to fight rather fewer wars of aggression.


Canada has no need to fight wars of aggression. It has only one neighbor, the united states, a nation with which it essentially shares most culture and language (Canadian English and American English is almost 100% identical). It never will need to fight a war because the United States will never let anyone near Canada.

This is like claiming the isle of mann never fought a war while ignorning it's protectorate status with the UK.

For all intents and purposes, Canada is a protectorate of the united states, we just don't call it that to avoid diplomatic incident.


That may all be the case, but from my point of view this is swinging back in strange ways. All those religious fundamentalism, the 'evangelicals' or however the crazies want to be addressed comes over here, to breed back into more or less laizistic societies. IMO they can go back to where they came from, the same applies to islamists and other orthodoxies.

Your world view of american exceptionalism. Let's have a look at that, exceptional robber barony, bullying, conning and cunning, sold by such sweet cheer leeding and really empowering the countless masses into mindless consumerism until the urgent need to numb it down, be it by psycho pills, weed, opiates, whatever. Food stamps, fuck yeah!

Personally I think that big bully needs to be gagged with petrodollars, and having beaten its teeth out so sensibly with a baseball bat, that it shits them out at the lower end. And then smashed its skull to pulp so that it follows the way of the teeth, fashioned into fantastically flavourful fish fodder.

Because any exception needs to be caught, and treated accordingly. Error correction, so to speak. Otherwise crash.

For reasons of transtemporal hygienics true hyperbolic excess is disallowed. Deal with it.

Cordially condoned by the clandestine committee for cognitive corruption.


> The sole reason they didn't spend the post WW2 era slaughtering each other is thanks to the US occupation of Europe, which prevented war with Russia and largely kept the major powers from being allowed to attack other weaker nations.

That's a pretty strong take, do you have any evidence for said take?


Thank you for pointing out European backwardness.

America is extremely stable compared to Europe.

The time between the founding of the eu and now is the longest Europe has ever been without two major powers at war. Europe was basically the middle east version 0.5.


I'm assuming you caught the bit about "millions cast into slavery in North and South America". A legacy which still lives on.

Much of the stability of North America is built on that slavery (and the 100-million or so lives it cost), genocide of the original inhabitants (another mass killing of as many as 100 million), and of course, the protective moat of thousands of miles of ocean east and west.

Europe's own most stable polities are also shielded by water (Britain) and/or terrain (Scandinavia).


What? This point made sense until the tangental snark after 'because'. Should've stopped there.


Uh...labor representatives are inherently in an adversarial relationship with management.

Further, I’m not sure this xenophobia toward US labor relations has any basis in reality.


Yes, but they are in a forced cooperation. Especially in the short term. Labor laws have extra protection for union leaders, and unions obviously can't strike forever, and the employer can't let go of too many people to decrease labor expenses (otherwise they can't operate the firm). Both parties have tools to try to assert their interests, but those are all blunt instruments that only have a certain useful range.


It looks like there is a long history of "slow work" racketeering at California/West Coast ports. From 2002, "The Fine Art of the Slowdown" (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-sep-21-fi-slow2...). From 2015, "How 14,000 Workers Managed to Slow Down the Entire Economy" (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-onl...).


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>There's a difference?

the difference occurs when the primary shift from 'employee-empowerment' to 'organization-for-profit' occurs.

This is sooner rather than later for certain unions.




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