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If the smash and grab involves anything of value the only way to get insurance to cover the loss is with a police report. So there is a (perverse?) incentive to make sure the report is filed even if nothing is done by law enforcement. For that reason I would expect that data to be somewhat accurate.



There are a lot of people for whom this isn't the case: - car owners/homeowners whose deductible is higher than the amount stolen, or who worry about higher future insurance rates by making a claim that is mostly eaten by the deductible - folks who don't have insurance, like students whose laptops are stolen in cafes - international visitors - other tourists who don't realize they need a police report to get insurance coverage, or who don't have insurance - stores like Walgreens who presumably self-insure against theft. I am not an expert, but I would assume most retail self-insures against theft (i.e. does not carry insurance for petty theft). Interested to know if folks think that isn't the case.

I think the data is totally inaccurate. In other places I have lived, I would make a policy report about any crime, expecting the report to generate some good. I wouldn't bother in SF, unless, as you mention, I really expected to file an insurance claim.


Late last year I watched someone swipe an entire shelf of cosmetics/facial products from a downtown Walgreens and saunter out while the clerk yelled at her, "You must feel great about yourself!" And, no, this wasn't a homeless person or drug addict, AFAICT, just a well-groomed 20-something young woman who jumped into a car waiting for her outside.

That Walgreens employee told me that nothing happens. No police report. Nothing except, presumably, a note to corporate. Her sentiments were echoed by another employee at the time. And both explained how much worse things have gotten. They were incredibly pissed because they felt so utterly helpless.

While this was last year, it was at a Walgreens that I've been frequenting for years, and from what I gather from some of the chattier employees, things are still pretty bad, and altogether definitely much worse than before COVID. They have a security guard on duty more often now, but they also have significantly reduced hours.

I find it odd that people expect Walgreens to open up their books to prove the increased theft. In other contexts that's called blaming the victim. And why should I care if Walgreens is taking the opportunity to downsize at the same time? That's the epitome of whataboutism. But in any event, AFAICT, Walgreens and Target have been privately more transparent with some of the local politicians. Public transparency would just be a lose-lose from the perspective of these large corporations, especially in the current media environment where left wing social activists will blame them regardless ("Oh, look at how many millions they've been extracting from our community!") while the right wing will try to further make martyrs out of them--theft notwithstanding, not the kind of public persona these companies want.

Regarding insurance, I wouldn't be surprised if Walgreens and Target self-insure in situations like this. What I do know is that after a spate of burglaries along the commercial strip in my Outer Richmond neighborhood, the local business association (the president is the owner of a restaurant we frequent, and we're on some of her mailing lists) ran a funding drive to help those businesses recover. The implication seemed to be that either the businesses lacked the necessary insurance coverage altogether, or it fell short of what they needed. Which wouldn't at all be surprising to me. (Also wouldn't be surprising if not every business filed a police report. When nearly every business on both sides of the street, up-and-down three+ blocks is burgled in the span of two weeks, what would be the point? Even an insurer might not even care at that point; it'd be like asking each and every claimant to prove an earthquake or hurricane.)


Insurance is not a magic industry that turns sustained losses into profits.


It's a write-off! ;) https://youtu.be/XEL65gywwHQ (classic Seinfeld bit)


Why is it perverse to file a police report so you can file insurance? Why is it perverse to file a police report, even to just make sure that crime statistics are accurate?


I was more intending to say it is unfortunate that one needs to make a police report that will likely lead to no action on the part of law enforcement to make an insurance claim. Perverse was definitely not the best word choice.


Insurance requires a deductible. It’s not worth filing claims for repeated small thefts. This is why many homeowners don’t bother reporting small package thefts - if the city leadership won’t punish (and deter) crime and if insurance deductibles are higher than the cost of the stolen item, then what’s the point?


Big corporations are likely self-insured. It wouldn't make much sense for Walgreens to purchase insurance to protect against shoplifting. It's likely just accounted for as inventory shrinkage.

I agree for personal insurance people would file a report, but that assumes the theft exceeded your deductible.


Does car insurance cover items stolen out of a car?


Generally, leaving something in your car is treated as akin to leaving something in a locked box outside. If you love it, don't leave it.

Other areas with a...ahem...more positive view toward cars spend a significant amount of resources to make it relatively safe to leave things in your car, but that's not San Francisco's priority, for better or worse (it's one of the weird places where the power brokers are either on a bike, in an Uber, on Muni, or being chauffeured privately).


Some years ago an associate had reported theft of 500 CDs plus some other things to his car insurance company. They were going to cover it all.

Then they had another phone call where he asked how fast he could get the money, as he needed to replace the CDs before he could return to work.

The quick witted agent said something like 'oh so these CDs that were stolen were for your work?" - He replied yes. Claim was then denied - his policy was not a commercial policy.

Don't recall the insurance co.


typically no. homeowners might, but it's rarely worth it to make a claim. no clue what OP is talking about.


Only if it's part of the car, otherwise it's covered under homeowner's insurance.


Home renters insurance often covers that.




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