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Curious, do you not wear seatbelts too? Opt for asbestos insulation since its better than anything on the market today? Plumb your home with lead since its more durable and flexible? Use leaded gas because its better for your older engine?

The state acts on the collective when the public is not making good decisions for themselves and causing net harm onto themselves, usually with the public paying the price. Sometimes thats overt like with death rates from accidents without seatbelts, or cancer from asbestos exposure. Sometimes its less overt like the behavioral issues, increased incidents of mental illness, and crime rate increases from leaded pipes and gasoline.

I'm willing to bet social media causes net harm. It hasn't enabled communication that wasn't possible before; if you can get access to a facebook account you therefore have email and access to irc. But it has cost probably trillions in productivity from people staring at it so much during all their idle time, and the cost to treat mental health issues that wouldn't have cropped up without toxic social media culture.

I say we have these companies pay for these externalities if they are forcing us to pay for them otherwise. By not passing a tax on externalities like this, the state is deciding that I need to pay for facebook's ills on society whether I use the service or not, which should anger you as a libertarian as much as it angers me as someone on the left.



As another example:

- The US prohibits people under 21 years old from buying alcohol, and allows those over 21 to do so.

- The US prohibits anyone of any age from driving a motor vehicle over a certain blood alcohol level.

This is something which causes health and community harm (alcohol), which we have allowed and denied to people in certain ways.

And honestly, I think struck a fair balance between individual liberty and social liberty/good.

I don't think anyone would argue that everyone should be allowed to drive anywhere, as drunk as they wanted to, at whatever age they wanted to.


Not only the age restriction but there are restrictions meant to curb some abuse at least. Drunk in public is a crime, establishments technically aren't allowed to overserve patrons who are very drunk, you can get tried for manslaughter worst case if you force someone to overconsume and they die, etc.


> Curious, do you not wear seatbelts too?

I wear my seatbelt, I don't smoke, I don't drink and I'm vaccinated.

Everyone keeps talking about these "negative externalities" without being specific. Why not just make the societal harm illegal and let people hurt themselves without buying permission from the government?


Because making it illegal to accidentally kill someone with your car while intoxicated doesn't solve the problem.


How do we solve the problem of people accidentally killing someone with their car?


We require driving licenses, age restrict operation of vehicles, require vehicles to operate within parameters (speed limits, gross vehicle weights) and according to standards (traffic signals and markings), and prohibit operation while under the influence of decision or reaction-impairing substances.

Because these are all statistical precursors to accidentally killing someone with a car.


Texting while driving, while illegal (everywhere by now, I assume), causes more accidents than driving under the influence (both in total numbers and, apparently, per capita). Should we tax text messages?




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