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There is housing available within commuting distance - I bought a 2 bedroom flat walking distance from a station with a 35 minute link to Kings Cross for under 200k. People seem to think they have some sort of God-given right to live in central London. If you want to buy a property you may need to make some sacrifices in that department. Yes the town I live in is pretty shite, and I have to train to work or to see friends on the weekend but I own my home.



Define 'commutable distance', because to me that means 30-40 minutes door to door.

Hitchin is 33 minutes to Kings Cross on Thameslink and I could definitely do my commute from Hitchin station in ~50 minutes, which is roughly 10 minutes more than it takes me from Zone 3, door to door, now.

If you look around on RightMove, 2 bed flats going near Hitchin station (Purwell) are ~£335K and a 20 minute walk away, so my commute would be up to 70 minutes.

Then factor in that you're dropping £5K/year for a season ticket (roughly the equivalent to adding ~£100K to your mortgage at current interest rates), giving up a lot socially, still don't have a garden, still have a pokey little flat, is it worth it?

I respect your life choices, but it's not for me.

> People seem to think they have some sort of God-given right to live in central London.

I think anyone earning in the top 2% should be able to do this, yes. After all, central London contains 2.3% of the UK population. If they're all at the top then by definition it should be possible.

In any case, I don't want to get too personal. My partner works all over London also so being in London makes sense for us. I also respect that this is a nationwide issue affecting a lot of people worse off than me.


>I think anyone earning in the top 2% should be able to do this, yes. After all, central London contains 2.3% of the UK population. If they're all at the top then by definition it should be possible.

Ok but if you're barely in the top 2% that would sound like you'd afford the worst in London - is it the worst you're going for or are you expecting to be the quality of what you'd get other places?

Obviously I don't know if you're barely or not, just since you said top 2% and not top 1% it might be you are just at the edge.


>I think anyone earning in the top 2% should be able to do this, yes. After all, central London contains 2.3% of the UK population. If they're all at the top ...

If they are all in the top, then you are in the bottom 11% of londoners.


Clearly some of the top 2% would live outside of London as well


good point, I wonder what percentage is. someone should make a top percentile view of this https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1370/ for just London to make it easier


We’re talking about where all the people who work at costa and pret live more than the top 2% earners. I guess they all need to commute in from the outskirts to make the rich people’s coffee.


Luton? I think some parts of London are more reachable from affordable places than others and that requirements do change when you have a family (more space and you may not need the best school but you don't want a terrible one). We live further up the Thameslink line and we get a lot of people moving here from London after having children, but it is a long commute.


I lived in Luton for a year and commuted in to London. Yes, it is certainly more affordable; but only because the NHS covers the cost of dealing with your stab wounds.

For non-UK people: yes of course I'm joking, however Luton is the home of both a large immigrant population and the "English Defence League", the closest thing we have to the KKK.


How often is the train? Or is it one of these rare direct 35 minute trains?


Yes only the elite, who speculate prices beyond the reach of normies, should be allowed to live where they want.

Nice embedded class based bias by the stiff upper lip crowd.

Make the minority that hands itself free money subject to the same open market and you have a point.


> Yes only the elite, who speculate prices beyond the reach of normies, should be allowed to live where they want.

It is not even a case of living where you want to, nor is it a case of supporting a particular lifestyle. It is a question of quality of life. If your commute is 30 minutes door-to-door, you are losing an hour a day. That hour could be better put to use to improving your skills, working paid hours, taking care of your personal well-being, or leisure. It is also worth noting that most people measure commute time as time in transit with a private vehicle, this incurs additional costs (meaning working additional hours) and the only way to get around it involves a significant tradeoff for time.

There are many people who do not want to live an elitist lifestyle and would be happy to live somewhere other than where the elites live. What they don't want to endure is a quantitative and qualitative diminishing in their quality of life.




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