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you simply and politely decline

And then the cop calls for the drug dog, and suddenly, you're dealing with a dog trained to please it's handler, which in this case means telling the cop that you have drugs in your car. And off to jail you go. As far as the cop is concerned, his thuggish behavior is now vindicated because you're a drug dealing degenerate.




Alternatively, the cop uses a bunch of highly sensitive field drug tests on your car and gets a false positive. In america it seems that's enough to jail people. And then they lose their jobs, their home.


And the SCOTUS has already ruled that a cop cannot make you wait for a drug dog without probable cause (Rodriguez v. United States 2015). So in your scenario you've got a cop who is willing to break the law, and in that case all bets are off.


I’m skeptical that there is a majority of police who aren’t willing to break the law.

Given how rarely police blow the whistle on other police, I’d say there’s evidence that the majority are actively unlawful.


In their mind they are the law.


SCOTUS has made many rulings that cops both know and regularly ignore. There's hundreds of videos online of police threatening a camera person with arrest if they don't provide ID and then blinding or obstructing the camera. All three of those have been explicitly ruled on and leave no question, yet they continue to do it en masse.


“I smell marijuana” is probable cause… it’s been weakened recently, but probable cause doesn’t have to be proven. “Bloodshot eyes” is another one that works for DUI cause.


What if instead of declining you said, “I don’t have a twitter account.” Perhaps it’s less defiant to say that.

Are they operating under the assumption that everyone is on social media, and if you deny it then you’re lying?


You’re not going to jail unless you have drugs in the car.


> You’re not going to jail unless you have drugs in the car

No, you aren't going to jail unless the search “justified” by the drug-dog “hit” reveals something that the police can spin into probable cause of a crime.

Needn’t be drugs, or even actual contraband.


"Probable cause of a crime" means what? That's not an actual legal term. "Probable cause" can be used to justify a search.

You would need to actually be suspected of a crime. If the cops don't find drugs, what crime are you guilty of?


> "Probable cause of a crime" means what?

The usual full expression is something like “probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed a particular crime”.

> "Probable cause" can be used to justify a search.

“Probable cause” is a constitutional requirement for search warrants, arrest warrants, warrantless arrests, and warrantless searches; for searches, the probable cause is that the search conducted will uncover evidence of a crime, which is different than the probable cause for arrest.

> You would need to actually be suspected of a crime.

Well, no, there needs to be probable cause to believe you've committed a crime. Actual suspicion is a much lower standard.

> If the cops don't find drugs, what crime are you guilty of?

There are...like thousands of other crimes, and millions of possible configurations of things that are not drugs that could support probable cause to believe you've committed one of them. Spray paint cans consistent with a recent spate of vandalism (graffiti) in the area is one I’ve personally seen used, beyond things that are inherently actual or apparent contraband, and the “actual or apparent contraband” category extends to more than just drugs.


In america you can be hauled in and convicted of nothing more than "resisting arrest", with no other prior crime or suspected crime. If a cop tries to arrest you and you do ANYTHING other than comply, that's a crime


This is false. Probably cause just means they can search your car. Not that you are going to jail.


Probable cause is the bar for arrest. If they have probable cause, you're getting arrested.


Yes, but without evidence you aren’t going to jail, and if you do you can sue for wrongful arrest.


> Yes, but without evidence you aren’t going to jail, and if you do you can sue for wrongful arrest.

You can sue anyone, anytime, for anything, but even if charges aren't filed or a court dismisses them at the preliminary hearing stage for lack of sufficient evidence, wrongful arrest suits against police are very difficult.


Do you mean "suspected of committing a crime"? "Probable cause" relates to searching or entering private property.


> Do you mean "suspected of committing a crime"?

No, mere suspicion is not sufficient for arrest.

> "Probable cause" relates to searching or entering private property.

It also relates to arrest. The Fourth Amendment provision applying the standard explicitly applies to searches and seizures of persons, houses, and effects. Arrest is seizure of one’s person.


Yes, but probably cause isn’t some binary.

A drug dog’s indications provide probable cause for searching your car, but are not enough to arrest you.


No.


> Probably cause just means they can search your car. Not that you are going to jail.

Probable cause (of slightly different things; the threshold is the same but the subject is different) is the bar for both search and arrest.


There's plenty of DUI arrests where no drugs are present, the driver blows 0.00 on the breathalyzer, and the only "probable cause" for arrest is an officer's subjective "expert" opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWyzPpYslYc

People have been arrested because the police claimed that a standard dose of Tylenol the night before was driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. If a police officer wants to take you to jail you're going to jail.


There was a guy I read about recently who was arrested and jailed on suspicion of methamphetamine possession for Krispy Kreme donut sugar found in the floorboard of his car. He was released once the lab determined it wasn't meth, but he did go to jail.




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