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Yep.

It took me way too long to find the usage numbers (which ironically were within an arm's reach on my bookshelf most of the time), but ~1988 Usenet was under 1 million potential users, and fewer than 150,000 active readers. Even by the mid-1990s, it was under 1 million active participants.

Google+ was considered a failed social network with at least 10--100 million active users (by my own conservative estimates based on sampled profile data, independently verified by a much larger analysis). Facebook has 3 billion MAUs (monthly active users).

Until ~1992 (the Eternal September), Usenet users were largely represented as cohorts of a few hundred to low thousands, each subject to the disciplinary authority of university network administrators. Privileges could be and were revoked. Netadmins had a hardcopy directory in which everyone's number was listed twice (forward and reverse search). They talked to each other.

I'm active on Diaspora (for over a decade) and Mastodon (for about five years now). Both are far smaller than their comparable commercial equivalents (FB and Twitter, respectively). Each already strains under abuse, spam, and propaganda efforts, though Mastodon seems to have a more robust containment toolkit. Much resembles the old Usenet model: individual instance administrators can determine what users (locally or remotely) or instances (remote federation) can interact, and to what extent. It's high-touch, and has issues, but at present scale it mostly works. (Not perfectly, but it's not completely blown up yet either.)

Diaspora ... seems on far shakier grounds. User controls, admin engagement, reporting tools, and the culture of active management are all far weaker. The saving grace is the lack of algorithmic amplification, but bad actors are a distinct presence, if largely walled off into their own small, sad world.



On the google+ 99.99% if offered would gladly take google+ for free. It was a huge success.

Google closed it down because they realize they never needed it. You were rarely providing new information to google because you already had an account and they already were tracking you everywhere. Your posts on other social networking sites google knows about and uses. What sites you visit google knows about.

The only thing google+ gives google is your social graph. But not your friends/family social graph more of your professional social graph. I don't think there was a way to target that info through ads into more profit. They probably leveraged access to facebook's data for ads in exchange for shutting it down.


Google+ literally had billions of registered profiles. Somewhat fewer than 99.99% actively used the site.

I sampled a random selection of ~50,000 profiles to find out how many were actually actively using the site.

9% of all profiles had ever posted anything at all to the site. This is somewhat fewer that 99.99%.

And only 0.016% of all G+ profiles had posted publicly in the first 18 days of 2015, when I performed my sampling.

https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/naya9wqdemiovuvwvoyquq

And again, you're talking to the guy who ran that experiment.

Eric Enge of (then) Stone Temple Consulting independently replicated my analysis using a much larger sample of 500,000 profiles, confirming the results I'd found and providing additional details:

https://blogs.perficient.com/2015/04/14/real-numbers-for-the...

I had absolutely no idea Enge was doing this until he published his results. They're a completely independent validation. Which is how science is supposed to work.

Your other comments about G+ are at best speculation, and largely fail to match my knowledge and understanding of the site and service.


> Your posts on other social networking sites google knows about and uses.

Source?

> They probably leveraged access to facebook's data for ads in exchange for shutting it down.

Speculation?




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