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2020 Census Statistics Highlight Local Population Changes (census.gov)
58 points by nobody9999 on Aug 12, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments



> The Some Other Race alone or in combination group (49.9 million) increased 129%, surpassing the Black or African American population (46.9 million) as the second-largest race alone or in combination group.

Who are these “others” and how do they identify? At least in Oakland, CA I noticed the majority of people who reported Hispanic/Latino ethnicity selected “other” for race. Are we entering into post-racial identity? Did the Census screw up and forget a burgeoning identity?


Most people aren’t of any single race. America is used to 3/4 white 1/4 black being considered black, but what about 1/2 white, 1/4 Hispanic, 1/4 Asian.


>Most people aren’t of any single race.

I disagree. In fact, I'd say that people (at least all the ones we know) are entirely one race: Human.


You're saying a true thing (there is no genetic basis for human race), but you're using that to say no-one should talk about race (a social classification). As an exercise, should the Civil Rights movement of the 60s have avoided mentioning race? Should Asian Americans not discuss how anti-china sentiment during covid is effectively anti-asian sentiment?

There are good conversations to be had about when race should be discussed, but it sounds like you're advocating for a blanket ban.


>but you're using that to say no-one should talk about race (a social classification)

Where did I even imply that?

My point is that the stuff that people consider defining characteristics of "race" are minor genetic differences and should be irrelevant.

That some folks feel otherwise is a teaching opportunity.

What's more, the social construct of "race" is just arbitrary and capricious.

As such, while we certainly should address the ideas and behaviors around bigotry (because that's what it is, as "racism" isn't an actual thing unless you're referring to a species other than homo sapiens.), and we should call it that, otherwise we're perpetuating the ignorance and hatred of such bigoted beliefs.

So let's not fiddle around with imprecise (and flat wrong) ideas about "race" and instead discuss the issues of bigotry. One is a bunch of bullshit made up by bigoted scumbags, and the other is the actual issue/situation.

>There are good conversations to be had about when race should be discussed, but it sounds like you're advocating for a blanket ban.

Let's rephrase the above: "There are good conversations to be had about when bigotry should be discussed.

As for what I'm advocating, either I'm an extremely poor communicator, or you read what you wanted to read into my statement. I'll leave the decision about which it is to the readers.


> Where did I even imply that?

Granted, I did extrapolate from your first response. I said so because race (like class) is a social reality in the US, and being mixed race does mean that you experience the US differently. You replied to

> America is used to 3/4 white 1/4 black being considered black

by saying there are no races, which is literally true. However, you're also implying that people should not identify themselves as Black or White or a mix. Some of that is perfectly valid since the blood quantum system was oppressive. But you're also saying that people should only identify themselves as human, and doing otherwise is bigotry.

Sometimes you need to identify yourself as a minority group to find a community of people who share experience with you. Should people not identify as Black, or avoid celebrating Black success because there isn't a genetic basis to calling themselves or others Black? Maybe you'd benefit from thinking about the similarities (and differences) between race and ethnicity. Being White/Black in the U.S. is both a racial and ethnic deal. People can identify as Black while recognizing that there is no concrete test which can identify them as Black.


> But you're also saying that people should only identify themselves as human, and doing otherwise is bigotry.

I didn't say, or even imply, that either.

I'll let you go and set up and knock down your straw men all by yourself.

Thanks!


Even then we are early modern humans (Homo Sapiens) mixed with some Neanderthal.


>Even then we are early modern humans (Homo Sapiens) mixed with some Neanderthal.

That's both reductive and misleading.

There is only one living sentient primate species on this planet. Homo Sapiens.

What's more, it's entirely possible that all humans are descended from a subset of 3-10k individuals who lived ~75,000 years ago[1].

Even more, there is often more genetic diversity within human groupings than between them[0].

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory


Tell that to history, current social issues, vitamin D levels, sickle cell and the cops.


"Racism" is an outdated concept and should be relegated to the dustbin of history.

What it is we're discussing is bigotry. And it should be called out for what it is: hateful prejudice for no real reason at all other than the anger and hatred of those who practice it.


You’re assuming people universally have strong negative feelings about race, but that’s on you.

Being Irish for example used to have a lot of baggage in the US, but that went away even though people still identify as being of Irish descent.


>You’re assuming people universally have strong negative feelings about race, but that’s on you.

I'm not assuming that at all. Rather, I asserted that "race" as a social construct is outdated given our understanding of genetics and the extreme genetic similarity of all humans.

Whether anyone else agrees with me or has any particular feelings about "race" one way or another is irrelevant to anything I wrote.


Race isn’t outdated, they do represent district groups who shared genetic information significantly more frequently internally than with each other. For example Native Americans likely had fairly regular contact via Eskimos to Asia and thus everyone else, but it was a tenuous link. Clearly these groups can be further subdivided or even combined, but they do actually represent something “real” even if the details are more complex than people used to be aware of.

As transportation has improved they’re becoming less relevant. In say 1,000 years things might become so blurred as to render them irrelevant, but for now it still meaningful.

The social concept of race is more iffy. As I pointed out if we treat 3/4 white 1/4th black as black then of course it doesn’t represent the underlying reality well.



> Did the Census screw up and forget a burgeoning identity?

"Mixed" folks.

Same thing with college admissions. What should they select?


The Census has a two or more races option. I could see how a form designer would expect someone who is mixed to select that option. But perhaps “two or more races” doesn’t register when people identify more closely as “mixed” or “bi-racial” while rushing through government paper work (that is to say I’ve never heard someone describe themselves as being “two or more races”.)


I always write-in other. Both on gender and race. Mostly because I resent the politics.


Same here, its not based on anything concrete. Its just bullshit.


I hate the politics too, but IME ignoring them hasn't made them go away.


That doesn't mean you have to participate according to their terms. A form of protest can be to make their numbers meaningless for their purposes.


>Are we entering into post-racial identity? Did the Census screw up and forget a burgeoning identity?

Nah, all those people got a 23&me test and found out they were 1/64th cherokee or whatever, so they put themselves down as "Some Other Race alone or in combination ".


> 2020 Census Statistics Highlight Local Population Changes

Well you’d hope so or it wouldn’t be a very good census!


Disappointed that there's not a single graph in this press release. C'mon Census Bureau!


Fourth paragraph (first section):

> The Census Bureau also released data visualizations, America Counts stories, and videos to help illustrate and explain these data. These resources are available on the 2020 Census results page. Advanced users can access these data on the FTP site.

There are five links in that paragraph. The first link points to over 100 other articles with graphic illustrations

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations.html


I understand more presentable data/graphs will be released by the end of September


We've crossed the threshold - more than half of all counties in the US are losing population. Almost all of the growth happened in the most heavily populated counties. That's amazing to think about.


It's time to popularise getting people not to fill out the census.

It's not your civic duty anymore.

The government already has too much data, more than they need.

There are already attacks because the census used differential privacy.

People don't care about your privacy. We have to learn to stop giving out our data anywhere

Here's a example of how the privacy measures weaken the data because it's now too easy to trace it to people - https://twitter.com/HistDem/status/1410682403279060993

Here's the 16 states attacking your census data privacy - https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/993247101/for-the-u-s-census-...


If you don't fill out the census your congressional representatives will be reallocated to other areas.


If you are not on Facebook you will lose social contacts.

But you have to make a decision, do you give out all your data or fight back. Privacy won't come for free.

They don't need to do a census and they don't need most of the data on the census. Do we really think the solution to problem X is another study from a data scientist using census data.

This should worry you, and it's not a solvable problem. The more anonymous the data the lesser the quality.

" In a worst-case scenario, the bureau's researchers estimated, attackers with access to more commercial data could unmask the identities of as many 179 million people, or 58% of the population included in the 2010 census."


The census could totally be real time with daily satellite flyovers that take high-resolution pictures of everyone from above.


What about counting institutionalized people in places like nursing homes and prisons? How do you count people in cars with multiple occupants? How do you know who’s a resident any who’s a foreign visitor?


I wonder, census doesn’t, and can never, be exact, it is about allocating resources to support people using infrastructure.


We'll need an agency of people inspectors, authorized to enter residences and institutions to count people.


If we hire everyone to be a people inspector we can use the employment records as the census.




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