To be fair, the only non-electron (or browser) thing I can think of that I use for work on a regular basis is the terminal. VSCode is electron, Joplin is electron, Teams is electron.

To be honest I've done a complete 180 in my views on electron. As long as the application is well made and optimised (which, to be fair, is somewhat rare) I often prefer it to native. People talk about vendor lock-in when it comes to their data, but very few people seem to consider OS lock-in as another, just as important factor. If I'm using a native app that only runs on windows, that'll discourage me from moving over the linux should the want ever arise (and it does). Obviously there are exceptions like Sublime, which are both native and cross-platform, but like the well made electron apps, they're an exception to the rule

Do you find Teams well made and optimized? Eveyone that I know hates it.

God no, I was referring more to vscode (and obsidian, which I use personally)

Don't get me wrong, its better, you can always instantly tell how much work has been put into an electron app, especially on windows (and when you have a dark theme on) because the poorly made ones will use a default white titlebar, whereas those with some effort will have the titlebar match the rest of the application. So Teams has that going for it.

But optimisation wise, yeh, its not pretty. I used to use Linux at work, and it was soley responsible for my twice-weekly crashes (I knew because sometimes, if I were quick enough, I could stop the crash before my laptop slowed to a halt by force closing teams). On Windows, its better, but thats not saying much.

They are moving it to Edge Webview and off of Electron. It's supposed to use 1/2 the memory.

https://tomtalks.blog/2021/06/microsoft-teams-2-0-will-use-h...

It's trash, but mostly because it's got that standard Microsoft schmear on it, not because of electron.

The fact that this is relevant to the discussion means we aren't trying to advance technology anymore, just make more sales.