My main chat platforms are IRC, Telegram and Discord. None of them are E2E encrypted and don't sell themselves as such.
I keep that in mind when discussing things.
If I want to start doing something shady, I can pick up something else than Signal, since I don't want my phone number ending up on random people's phones.
> My main chat platforms are IRC, Telegram and Discord. None of them are E2E encrypted and don't sell themselves as such.
Telegram's initial marketing heavily emphasised privacy. If I search for Telegram then the very first search result blurb starts "Telegram messages are heavily encrypted". Maybe they don't explicitly claim to be E2E, but they absolutely are selling themselves as an encrypted, privacy-friendly messenger.
> If I want to start doing something shady, I can pick up something else than Signal, since I don't want my phone number ending up on random people's phones.
Completely agreed, I dislike the Signal hype as much as anyone. But I trust Telegram even less.
> All data is stored heavily encrypted and the encryption keys in each case are stored in several other data centers in different jurisdictions. This way local engineers or physical intruders cannot get access to user data.
Wow, that's not at all clear from their marketing. That kind of misleading statement is definitely not what I'd want to see from a privacy/security-focused product - and yet Telegram's whole marketing is about privacy/security.
The attack telegram is worried about is the russian army invading their datacenters, threatening employees, or forced buyout (what happend to the founder previous company vk.com).
I keep that in mind when discussing things.
If I want to start doing something shady, I can pick up something else than Signal, since I don't want my phone number ending up on random people's phones.