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Given how they make a minimum $450M a year in revenue, how on Earth is Mozilla not swimming in cash?! How high can their expenses be?



Mozilla pays millions of dollars per year to their CEO, despite the decrease in usage and user base. Could be a symptom of a larger problem in the organization.


In general, I don't donate to non-profits where anyone earns more than I do.

I've worked for nonprofits for most of my career, and have seen the insides of several. The most effective ones tend to have a small team on shoestring salaries and really need money. The least effective ones have a CEO making $5M and an executive team above $400k.

I've seen a lot of people argue that good people cost money, but they don't. I know $5M CEOs, $1M CEOs and $100k CEOs. The $100k CEO was by far the most effective.

That said, the Mozilla 990 doesn't look crazy. Many big nonprofits are bad. It's not an organization I'd donate to myself, but it's not one I'd discourage others from donating to either. CEO makes $3M, which isn't really reasonable, but the next-highest salary is $286k. That said, the whole for-profit Mozilla Corporation bit sketches me out. It feels like it might be a way to dodge IRS reporting regulations. I'd want to do due diligence before donating to a non-profit that has a structure like that (it may be innocuous), but I don't have time for due diligence when there are transparent nonprofits too.


I use Firefox but I don’t donate anymore which is awful but I want to donate to Firefox not Mozilla.

If anyone knows a way to only support Firefox and not Mozilla at large do let me know!


They have paid products like Pocket, VPN etc. Those are sold by the for-profit corp that develops Firefox, not the non-profit foundation that owns the corp.


One way to help Firefox would be to spend some time on Firefox bug reports or patches.


But aren't Firefox bug reports known mainly for being ignored (or if not ignored then viciously denied)?


They wouldn't be ignored if more people such as GP, you, me etc put work into fixing them.


Fire the CEO, start paying open source developers for quality pull requests. Maybe in another dimension...



Mozilla also spends its cash on various other bullshit that nobody cares about.


Feels like a lifetime ago they were humble-bragging about their Paris office with gold leaf ceilings!


How many developers do you think a browser engine needs? How much do they cost?

But also, the answer to your question is at https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-201... and https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-2019-fo... (the 2020 numbers are not up yet because the audit starts when the tax return is filed and lasts for several months, so isn't completed yet).

Just for comparison, last I checked Chrome's marketing budget was estimated to be in the ballpark of Mozilla's total budget.

Disclaimer: used to work for Mozilla.


> How many developers do you think a browser engine needs? How much do they cost?

Browser: ~20

Web rendering engine: ~100

Worldwide average senior C/C++ developer salary: $100k/year

So $12M/year should do it. Let's say $20M to allow for management and overhead.

Disclaimer: founder of a browser company


* They support many platforms (windows, Linux,macOS, android, iOS).

* There are server side components (bookmark sync for instance)

* They need infrastructure to run the tests, do the builds, handle the bug reports, etc...

I don't know where you got your 20% overhead, but from what I heard it's wayyyy off.


There is a year of lag, but you can read Mozilla's financial statements and Form 990. The latest ones are linked at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2019/


> how on Earth is Mozilla not swimming in cash?! How high can their expenses be?

Mozilla launches a new idiot side project like once a month. As a Firefox user, it's deeply frustrating to watch bug tickets go unfilled while a multimillion-dollar rebranding rolls out.




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