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Fake apple stores (birdabroad.wordpress.com)
291 points by barron on July 20, 2011 | hide | past | favorite | 56 comments



We struck up a conversation with these sales guys who, hand to God, all thought they really worked for Apple.

Now I'm wondering how I know who I work for.

Now I'm wondering if I could have faked this entire blog post by photoshopping up some pics of a real Apple Store.

Now I'm wondering if I've been reading too much Philip K. Dick or too little.


> Now I'm wondering if I've been reading too much Philip K. Dick or too little

Maybe you're just running out of Ubik


Yea, I just had a vary surreal moment reading about this.

I started from http://www.itproportal.com/2011/07/20/fake-apple-stores-mush... which at least link’s to it’s source. And says: "pictures of what looks like an Apple store but is in reality a completely genuine rip-off; the author of the post also confirms that the store was torn down and replaced by a bank" vs. what was actually said: "we went back to this store 5 days later and couldn’t find it, having overshot by two blocks, I seriously thought that it had simply been torn down and replaced with a bank in the meantime – hey, it’s China. That could happen."

So the Blog spam is a poor knockoff of a blog of about a knockoff store selling knockoff's of a real company's products. Yet the blog spam is still concerned enough about being copied that it’s using java script to prevent people copy pasting their text. Does that mean the knockoff story is also trying to keep people from copying them? And could someone be trying to reverse engineer a device sold in that store?

PS: Now concider for a moment where in the chain of fake this comment sit's.


these look like apple distributors though. as the products are apple original right ?

or are they using second hand apple products ?


I suspect they're using "second hand" Apple products. If you know what I mean. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more.


I seriously thought that it had simply been torn down and replaced with a bank in the mean time – hey, it’s China. That could happen.

It used to be "Only in America" that the world muttered in disbelief. This century, I'm thinking "Hey, it’s China. That could happen" might just be the new black, as it were.


Were we Americans this crass and exploitive in the late 1800's? Not rhetorical, but a genuine question. I've heard the opinion expressed that we indeed were.


America used to be notorious in the 18th and 19th centuries for ignoring copyrights and patents filed in Europe.

For example:

"Johns describes how the first generation of American publishers came to constitute themselves as book pirates who openly violated British copyright law by systematically reprinting works that the British publishers considered their own lawful property. This laid the foundations for a vital but highly controversial book market in the new world and Johns concludes that by “the 1820s, Jacksonian America had a secure and vibrant public sphere – but to European eyes an utterly piratical one”.

Source: http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/mit7/papers/Fredriksson-Draft-...


Evidence that our current intellectual property regime is simply not practical in a quickly emerging economic powerhouse?


I think it's more a result of the fact that China produces little intellectual property of its own right now. Enforcing copyright would raise costs, hinder development of copycat industries, and deplete the mountain of foreign exchange they've accumulated through exports. In addition, unlike most small countries that don't have domestic IP industries, China is not susceptible to US and European pressure.

The US eventually became a champion of IP laws once its own IP industries became globally dominant. China will discover the joys of copyright and patent lawsuits once they dominate the IP industries.


"once they dominate the IP industries"

Well English isn't the primary language there, that should probably make a difference in how things play out compared to the US.

EDIT: (compared to the US pirating British works)


From what I've seen, the Chinese don't "get" the aesthetic systems of other cultures as readily or completely as the Japanese did. The Japanese seem to have a distinct edge over everyone else in East Asia in this regard.


As it happens, I bought yesterday a volume of Anthony Trollope's _North America_ (1862) in a used book store yesterday and noticed the passage

"There is, I think, no task-master over free labor so exacting as an American. He knows nothing of hours, and seems to have that idea of a man which a lady always has of a horse. He thinks that he will go forever. I wish those masons in London who strike for nine hours' work with ten hours' pay could be driven to the labor market of Western America for a spell. And moreover, which astonished me, I have seen men driven and hurried, as it were forced forward at their work, in a manner which, to an English workman, would be intolerable.... The complaint that wages are held back, and not even ultimately paid, is very common. There is no fixed rule for satisfying all such claims once a week, and thus debts to laborers are contracted, and when contracted are ignored."

As for intellectual property, the textile industry of New England got its start with English designs in something of an underhand way, I recall.


Slavery?

By the 1860 United States Census, the slave population in the United States had grown to four million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States


Yoga?


When I was in China in 2006 I wondered into a fake Nike store of similar quality (In a residential neighborhood of Beijing). I too thought it was a real store, the only thing that gave it away was when I actually picked up the shoes in the store, I noticed all the swooshes were upside down!

Almost seemed like a waste to go through the whole effort of knocking off an entire store, only to fill it with obviously fake merchandise.


I misread the title as "Fake apple stories" and thought "how interesting can that be?"

Very, it turns out. It seemed a shame in cultural terms that saying "We work for Apple in the US and are making an on-site inspection" was enough to convince security to respect them, but actually, if you have the balls to pull it off, I bet that would work anywhere.


I figured that some of the higher-level employees would have to be in on it, and any people from the REAL Apple would send them into a panic. In this case, maybe all the store employees, from top to bottom, really were clueless.


This reminds me of how Tower Records opened their first store in Japan, when a fake Tower Records store was already operating in Sapporo... (see http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/MTS-Inc-Com...) Interestingly enough, the Japanese branch became independent a few years ago and is still in business, when the US stores have now disappeared.


This is simply amazing. I can only imagine how quickly these initial stores will be closed down. They will spring up again like weeds, but these first ones will be probably be closed with in a few weeks.

I really love that last picture with the spelling mistake "Apple Stoer".


I have actually been in a fake Apple store. It was eerie. Same decor, the staff all wore the same tshirt uniforms...amazingly, they had set up shop within sight of a real Apple store, in a big mall in Denver. The only real giveaways that it was not real were that they had these big-ass multitouch tables with $10k price tags and there were very few customers in the store.


I feel really terrible for the employees who work at these stores, thinking they are working for Apple. I think about how I felt when I got a job I really wanted at that age, and the joy they must have felt when they were hired, and telling all of their friends and family that they were Apple employees.

Look at the photos of the employees. They look so sincere and earnest. I can only imagine the disappointment they will feel one day when they find out they're working for a con man.

I'd love it if this story ended with "and then Apple, seeing how badly Kunming wanted to have an Apple Store, came along, built a real one, and hired all the employees at the new, legitimate store."


Real, legitimate Apple products are going to be something like six times more expensive than the counterfeits.

It's not out of pure malice that prevents Apple from segmenting markets-- if the iPad sold in China is too much cheaper than the iPad sold in America, then people will just purchase iPads by the thousand to resell them in America.


Doesn't actually say whether it sells actual Apple stuff, or knock-offs, or if it did I missed it.


of course it's actual apple stuff, it comes from an actual apple store.


Yay for yet another interesting blog post wrapped in OnSwipe's miserable, unnecessary iPad theme.


Yeah, I have to say I don't quite get the point of that. The original WP theme would look absolutely fine on an iPad. Otoh, the onswipe theme looks a bit weird and has annoying scrolling issues, and takes ages to load too. Not quite sure what it adds to anything other than a vague sense of frustration...


yes times 1000


How do the people doing these knockoffs miss the little details like "stoer"?

They're obviously putting a tremendous amount of work into the clone, is hiring a native English speaker to look at it and make sure the English looks like English that much of an extra expense?

When I'm sending posters and promotional materials to our printer (as in: the company that does printing, not the device), I go over it again and again, then usually get a second and third set of eyes to triple check it for spelling errors.

These knockoffs are really good, it's kindof sad that they're so close, but missing it with the little stuff.

Or do they not really expect any English speakers to show up? If that's the case, why the English words at all?


> Or do they not really expect any English speakers to show up? If that's the case, why the English words at all?

Because it makes the store look trendy and sophisticated. Sort of like how many Americans will think some product is "upscale" if it has a French name or the voiceover actor in the ad has a British accent.


Yeah, if you go to a French bakery in the USA, and everything is labelled in French and in English, does it even matter if the French is correct?


One of my British coworkers often complained about just how bad some of those "British" accents are, too.


is hiring a native English speaker to look at it and make sure the English looks like English that much of an extra expense?

You will be surprised how bad is anything in foreign languages looks in major Hollywood movies. Apparently, hiring a Chinese/Russian/German speaker is too expensive even when their product is exposed to much wider audience.


Native Russian speaker here - I often laugh during movies when they show Russian writing. 90% of the time, it's random gibberish.

The only time when the gibberish didn't seem random was during the movie Virus - there's a scene where they are choosing which language to display a control panel in, and one of the options is "Ebonics" - and the Russian underneath is just a random mix of letters, while the other Russian labeling was completely accurate.


It looks like they are selling genuine Apple products. So the only thing this store is guilty of is using the "Apple Store" name without permission. There is nothing illegal about running a store that sells only Apple products, and decorating it in a matching way. It is quite common in China to see small stores that sell only Lenovo, only Dell or only Sony products, and they are not usually run by the brands.


  It looks like they are selling genuine Apple products. 
Oh please. What evidence are you basing this judgement on, the blurry cameraphone pictures from this blog post? Magic? Intuition that of course a counterfeit store, operated by a third party, will only carry genuine items?


Actually, what would a counterfeit macbook look like? An amumimum colored generic laptop running XP with some OS X theme?

I have seen videos of (very obviously) fake iPhones, where they look pretty real until you start using it.

Would they actually sell anything if all they had was obviously fake crap?


> There is nothing illegal about running a store that sells only Apple products

I thought Apple only allowed licensed outlets to sell their products. My girlfriend worked for Best Buy, and if they sold certain items before the release date, Apple could have fined them or pulled all of their items from the store.


Funny I should see this today. I was just reading the wikipedia page on "Simulacra and Simulation":

"Simulacra and Simulation is most known for its discussion of images, signs, and how they relate to contemporaneity. Baudrillard claims that our current society has replaced all reality and meaning with symbols and signs, and that human experience is of a simulation of reality. Moreover, these simulacra are not merely mediations of reality, nor even deceptive mediations of reality; they are not based in a reality nor do they hide a reality, they simply hide that anything like reality is irrelevant to our current understanding of our lives."

Edit on further thought:

If the products are the same, how is this more 'real' than a genuine apple store? They are both just a collection of signs, branding, processes and marketing.

What happens when stores in even smaller towns spring up, copying this fake apple store? What then is the reality? How far along do the copies of copies need to go, before they are totally divorced from the originals in America? Do they then become 'real' and genuine their own right?


I'm wondering if this isn't a real Fake Apple Store... as in, Apple recognizes the need to develop that market and also recognizes the fact that their products are prohibitively expensive for those customer - to avoid diluting the Apple brand, build "Apple Stoers" selling the merchandise at a deep discount.

These new Apple Stoers would be very functional and serve the company on many levels. Quickly test new markets with low risk, introduce the Mac at a lower price point, and eventually could be replaced with Real Apple Stores in strong markets.

As the Chinese economy develops, the price of the merchandise increases (maybe shifting from store to store?) and in a few decades they have a stronghold on the edgy cool market of top-of-the-line-computers in the new world market, but also have one on the lower-end Apple Stoer brand.

Sounds like a good plan, just seems strange that we're all talking about it though...


I was in this "Apple" Store 2 weeks ago (I live in Kunming). They didn't have the airline magsafe adapter in stock.

The thing that gave it away for me (besides it being in Kunming) was the non-Lucida-Grande typeface everywhere.

If anyone wants me to go in there next week when I get back to the mainland, let me know.


Are these fake apple stores selling genuine apple products? Or the products themselves are fake?


A lot of the official Apple resellers in non-US countries have also lifted the entire Apple store look -- wood tables with products, white walls, lots of glass, white banner signs. The only difference is they don't call it an Apple Store.


There are countless examples of this. I too was amazed at how widespread the cloning was when I visited China. I recall this massive 'Hazma 6' billboard along one highway in Shanghai and being warned not to drink a particular bottle of water in Dalian. Who rips off bottle water? China!

Who can forget the ripoff X5 that they attempted to put on display in Frankfurt? (http://goo.gl/oPD5y) BMW wasn't having it.

Oh, have you seen the poorly cloned Disney World? (http://goo.gl/DO6Ii)


I don't get it: do they (re)sell genuine apple products or ripoff too?


Most likely they are selling genuine products stolen from the factory or shipping containers.


What are you basing this on?



Well, it's more convincing than the last time:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2007/10/fake-apple-stor/


They're gonna be raided like meth labs once Apple gets wind of this (if they haven't already).


I seriously doubt the Chinese police will care. Maybe if it was in a city where Apple had a factory and they had cultivated relationships with local officials, but out in the boonies they have no power.


Kunming is a huge tourist city that a lot of Americans go to when they visit China. This makes it easier for Apple to put pressure on them.


Maybe slightly, but no more than it would be for some chinese company to put pressure on the local police in San Francisco, and likely quite a bit less.


Even if Apple does do this, there are going to be tons of copycats throughout China. I'll bet we'll see some interesting variations like an apple with bite on the left side or a black apple on a silver background.


Depends how much Chinese government care about keeping Apple happy and how strong are connections of store owners with a (local) gov.


how long has this gone unnoticed




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