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The nice thing about ICE cars is they can get passed down the value chain easily. Middle class family buys a new car, drives it for 5 years or so, trades it in for a new car, and the used car is sold to a poorer family but pretty much works just as well. Do electrics work the same way? I imagine the battery performs significantly worse after 5 years than when new.


Tesla vehicles have hundreds of thousands of miles on them with reasonable amounts of degradation.

https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-rep...

https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat...


and even a minor fender benders result in cars being declared a total loss due to Teslas fantastic repair ecosystem.


Insurers still insure them so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


At obscene premiums.

If your car loan requires collision insurance, the dealer should have to show the monthly insurance premium wherever they show you a monthly payment.

But they don't have to, so they don't.


> Do electrics work the same way?

I'm sorry, your vehicle is no longer safe to drive because it is not receiving software updates anymore. Too bad.

It makes me really sad that there were basically two true EVs mass-produced for highway-speed use (the Tesla Roadster and the Nissan Leaf) before we permanently and irreversibly transitioned to "smartphone on wheels". I will not be buying any of those.


Our 2015 Leaf has a “charge indicator” and a “capacity indicator”, each with 12 segments. The “capacity indicator” just dropped one notch to 11, but this hasn’t had a huge impact on range - certainly it still gets us around the city, which is why we bought it.

Nissan estimates the batteries will outlive the cars by about 10-12 years: https://insideevs.com/news/351314/nissan-leaf-battery-longev...


> Nissan estimates the batteries will outlive the cars by about 10-12 years

I was about to make a joke about Nissan's build quality, but Nissan beat me to it...

> The company sees the LEAF's reasonable life at about 10 years.

Yikes, the average age of a vehicle on US roads is 12+ years. I know they're in the business of selling new cars, but damn.


I am hoping the price of batteries drops so much; buying a new battery for a used electric vechicle is trivial.

I will never go electric if I gave to fork out a huge some of money every 10 years for a battery. Right now, the longevity of batteries is looking better than I anticipated.

(I keep vechicles for 20 plus years, and do all my own maintance, and repair.)


Figure out where we're going to get the metals for all the batteries it will take to create the world these dreamers want. You'll soon see that the entire scheme is fantasy.


If it really were about shifting energy usage from fossil fuels to a "renewable" power grid, there would be an equal enthsiasm for electrifying all home and hot water heating.

There isn't, for two main reasons:

1. Making resistive elements in a box will not enrich any mineral companies, perputrate planned obselecence, nor maintain R+D departments.

2. It would be very easy and cheap to do, and when the resulting droves of people convert to electric heating, it would very quickly become apparent that our grid just cannot handle the extra load.


Nissan is intentionally building disposable cars for people of lesser means and credit scores.


I don't know where you got that info.

I wouldn't want to be the company out there that doesn't want to have low, and middle income, owners for their electric vechicles.

If Volkswagen didn't sell low priced, well engineered vehicles to the 99% of us struggling; we would not know their name today.


It's been in their public financial documents for 15yr now. They just wrap it up with softer words like "customers who prioritize value" to not offend white collar sensibilities. They're basically Chrysler of Japan. Nothing wrong with that. Someone's gotta sell those cars.


Someone has to sell reasonably priced cars to the masses.

If the other guys, especially Tesla, dosen't start going down this path; I can guarantee electric vechicles will be another footnote in history. (That might be too harsh? There will always be rich guys who don't mind overpaying for vechicles.)

Don't get me started on Chrysler. They are an old dying car company whom probally shouldn't have sold out to Fiat. Chrysler made some decent cars/trucks over the years. They are the example of a big stupid company.

With an electric car you are buying a electric motor, controller, computers, a bunch of sensors, actuators, and programming.

There is no reason to jack up the price. There will be a company that eventually put's Teslas to shame. We are at 2 months in to babies life.

I like Tesla's. I'm looking for a salvaged one to do a convert. There are a lot of guys like me who want an electric, but aren't paying for gimmicky stuff.


Yes, and battery replacements aren't cheap.




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